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shmerl: Even CDPR themselves already work on making their Red Engine cross platform. It already supports OpenGL (as you can see in The Witcher 2 Mac OSX release). So may be when they'll get to the point of releasing Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk for Linux, GOG will start shipping other Linux games as well.
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AndrewC: If you really think that OpenGL support = Linux support please get into software development, STAT! You'd make a fortune if you can actually get that to work as you say.
Hey, at least it's a good step in the right direction.
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shmerl: Even CDPR themselves already work on making their Red Engine cross platform. It already supports OpenGL (as you can see in The Witcher 2 Mac OSX release). So may be when they'll get to the point of releasing Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk for Linux, GOG will start shipping other Linux games as well.
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Adzeth: What if some Linux user uses a sheet of paper as her monitor? The games wouldn't work, and that's not how GOG does things.
GOG could easily support teletype Linux gamers with aalib. ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nRPoS2WDJA
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AndrewC: If you really think that OpenGL support = Linux support please get into software development, STAT! You'd make a fortune if you can actually get that to work as you say.
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Morgawr: Hey, at least it's a good step in the right direction.
Exactly. It's a prerequisite. Whatever steps they need to take - it's a first huge step.
I have yet to see an argument for GOG's all or nothing stance. Why MUST GOG's version of some games like Book Of Unwritten Tales lack something you can get elsewhere? Who would it hurt for GOG to provide unsupported Linux binaries in such cases?
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Kristian: Who would it hurt for GOG to provide unsupported Linux binaries in such cases?
The computer illiterate Linux users with lacking reading comprehension skills that happen to have a system that doesn't run the games without a bit of fairy magic.
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Kristian: Who would it hurt for GOG to provide unsupported Linux binaries in such cases?
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Adzeth: The computer illiterate Linux users with lacking reading comprehension skills that happen to have a system that doesn't run the games without a bit of fairy magic.
That theoretically is also a counterpoint for most computer games in general. People buying computer games without the specs to make them run and then complaining the games won't run.

I'm not really arguing against what you said because it makes sense from a business point of view, although similar problems have been dealt in the past and it obviously worked well else we wouldn't have PC gaming as a whole.

It can be countered with a simple refund system (i.e: if you buy a game, you can ask for a refund in the next 48 hours if the game doesn't run) or by specifying on the download/shop page that the game will only run on a specific distro (see: Ubuntu probably) and that any further attempts to get the game running on other distros will be at the user's discretion.

Pair that with games that already have native Linux clients (which aren't shipped with the gog purchase though... it's a shame) and you don't need much to do. Also, projects like gogonlinux can help getting "unofficial" compatibility out without falling on the shoulders of the gog.com guys.
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Kristian: Who would it hurt for GOG to provide unsupported Linux binaries in such cases?
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Adzeth: The computer illiterate Linux users with lacking reading comprehension skills that happen to have a system that doesn't run the games without a bit of fairy magic.
No it doesn't hurt them. It doesn't take anything away from them. Indeed they likely won't know about its existence(otherwise they wouldn't be computer illiterate). That is grasping at straws for a reason, any reason not to do it IMO.
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Morgawr: It can be countered with a simple refund system (i.e: if you buy a game, you can ask for a refund in the next 48 hours if the game doesn't run) or by specifying on the download/shop page that the game will only run on a specific distro (see: Ubuntu probably) and that any further attempts to get the game running on other distros will be at the user's discretion.
Problem here with GOG is that you need 10 bucks and a lot of time to buy and download the entire catalogue.
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Morgawr: It can be countered with a simple refund system (i.e: if you buy a game, you can ask for a refund in the next 48 hours if the game doesn't run) or by specifying on the download/shop page that the game will only run on a specific distro (see: Ubuntu probably) and that any further attempts to get the game running on other distros will be at the user's discretion.
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Fenixp: Problem here with GOG is that you need 10 bucks and a lot of time to buy and download the entire catalogue.
I don't understand.. sure, it takes 10 bucks and some time to download the game but I doubt it will take more than 48 hours to test it out and see if it works on your machine or not... Or is this not what you were talking about?
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Morgawr: I don't understand.. sure, it takes 10 bucks and some time to download the game but I doubt it will take more than 48 hours to test it out and see if it works on your machine or not... Or is this not what you were talking about?
You have an honest mind, that's good. See, what you can do is to download the game from GOG, tell support it doesn't work and demand refund, get money, and buy/download another game. Since they're DMR-free, well, there's nothing to stop you from playing them continually.
May be Fenixp was saying that GOG should worry about fakers who will buy and "return" all games in order to get them all for free.
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Kristian: No it doesn't hurt them. It doesn't take anything away from them. Indeed they likely won't know about its existence(otherwise they wouldn't be computer illiterate). That is grasping at straws for a reason, any reason not to do it IMO.
You'd be surprised how far a bit of misunderstanding and lack of skill can take you :p
Visiting a site like Facebook or GOG doesn't mean you're computer literate. Someone could enter the site while looking for girls of gaming or some other thing like that ("my friend told me you sellz some Linux gaems, boiii"), spot a "Linux_package.derp.tarp.geese" in the extras and ride the wave of misconception like the somber Autumn wind after a hurricane. Earlier there was a guy who thought GOG sells Steam games, and that ruined the whole dinner party.
The point is that if there's a Linux package in the extras, the chances of Linux users buying it will probably increase significantly. If it happens that those guys can't get it working, they might be mighty peeved by it, even if it's listed as unsupported (it happens, it happens a lot), and start making unsavory noises with their mouths. GOG peeps don't want people hearing unsavory noises about GOG :p
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Morgawr: I don't understand.. sure, it takes 10 bucks and some time to download the game but I doubt it will take more than 48 hours to test it out and see if it works on your machine or not... Or is this not what you were talking about?
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Fenixp: You have an honest mind, that's good. See, what you can do is to download the game from GOG, tell support it doesn't work and demand refund, get money, and buy/download another game. Since they're DMR-free, well, there's nothing to stop you from playing them continually.
Oh, I know I know, if we're going down that route.. (I wan't taking piracy in consideration, not even once since this whole thing is an alien concept to GOG, else they'd be forcing more DRM down user's throats regardless of platform)
Piracy for gog games is already at pretty big levels for gog (I haven't pirated a game in god knows how long but I know gog games are easily available on the internet), with the whole no DRM thing yadda yadda, however that has never stopped the gog people and it shouldn't stop them now either.
By that logic, I could just go and pirate the linux version of the game in the first place and see if it works. If it doesn't, I don't buy it :)
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Kristian: No it doesn't hurt them. It doesn't take anything away from them. Indeed they likely won't know about its existence(otherwise they wouldn't be computer illiterate). That is grasping at straws for a reason, any reason not to do it IMO.
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Adzeth: You'd be surprised how far a bit of misunderstanding and lack of skill can take you :p
Visiting a site like Facebook or GOG doesn't mean you're computer literate. Someone could enter the site while looking for girls of gaming or some other thing like that ("my friend told me you sellz some Linux gaems, boiii"), spot a "Linux_package.derp.tarp.geese" in the extras and ride the wave of misconception like the somber Autumn wind after a hurricane. Earlier there was a guy who thought GOG sells Steam games, and that ruined the whole dinner party.
The point is that if there's a Linux package in the extras, the chances of Linux users buying it will probably increase significantly. If it happens that those guys can't get it working, they might be mighty peeved by it, even if it's listed as unsupported (it happens, it happens a lot), and start making unsavory noises with their mouths. GOG peeps don't want people hearing unsavory noises about GOG :p
I will repeat, can't the same idea be applied for all of PC gaming? God knows how many games I have bought in my childhood (without becoming computer literate) that didn't work on my old voodoo FX card or whatever... It's half expected in the PC gaming world, you need to check your specs and see if your machine supports it, else you would be getting a console.
This doesn't defend PC gaming, however countless companies already took their risk with this approach and there's obviously money to be gained else they wouldn't have lasted long.

More retailers supporting Linux means more people considering Linux development which in turn makes everyone's life easier. You can also ship your own downloader directly through a distro's repository (imagine a gog client.deb or take a look at something like my project http://www.gogonlinux.com/ which should be distro-independent) and make sure that gamers who want to buy from you use a supported downloader to run their games (supported downloader => supported distro => no more compatibility issues). Then give them the possibility to download an alternative package if they want to try (at their own risk) on a different "unsupported" distro.

I really see nothing wrong with that.
Post edited December 09, 2012 by Morgawr
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Morgawr: I will repeat, can't the same idea be applied for all of PC gaming? God knows how many games I have bought in my childhood (without becoming computer literate) that didn't work on my old voodoo FX card or whatever... It's half expected in the PC gaming world, you need to check your specs and see if your machine supports it, else you would be getting a console.
This doesn't defend PC gaming, however countless companies already took their risk with this approach and there's obviously money to be gained else they wouldn't have lasted long.

More retailers supporting Linux means more people considering Linux development which in turn makes everyone's life easier. You can also ship your own downloader directly through a distro's repository (imagine a gog client.deb or take a look at something like my project http://www.gogonlinux.com/ which should be distro-independent) and make sure that gamers who want to buy from you use a supported downloader to run their games (supported downloader => supported distro => no more compatibility issues). Then give them the possibility to download an alternative package if they want to try (at their own risk) on a different "unsupported" distro.

I really see nothing wrong with that.
It sure can (be extended for all PC gaming and bread). The problem is that GOG is trying to maintain this "our stuff works" standard/image, and that's why they don't want to sell unsupported stuff. Making money isn't everything to everyone, and it seems that GOG at least wants us to think that they're not going to go for the all in for short term gain -route. I'm having a really hard time imagining them in a dark office, chuckling at the misfortune they have caused for the poor Linux users they so loathe, with a malevolent grin that glows in the dark.

I'd like more Linux support as well, and am aware of the the whole "Linux support - Linux users" cycle, and while I wouldn't mind (I'd actually like it) if GOG released the already made Linux stuff, I quite dislike "I do not know the situation, so they do not have a reason. My common sense tells the best way" arguments, and I especially dislike "that isn't a reason for me, so it can't be for you" follow ups. I hear it often enough in other areas of my life, and have come to the conclusion that there usually are reasons, and that "I dun wanna, it goes against my thing" and "I don't understand what it's all about" are often valid reasons.
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Morgawr: By that logic, I could just go and pirate the linux version of the game in the first place and see if it works. If it doesn't, I don't buy it :)
Yes, you should do exactly that if you're unsure, it doesn't cost GOG bandwitch, refunds aren't exactly 'free' either, and it's an aproach that noone can use to abuse GOG.