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Ivory&Gold: And what with me measuring the worth of most things by how romantic they are, I have a lot of time for that stuff.
Breathing is bound to be just about the most worthless thing you do :-P
We've started openly talking about religeon in this thread and so far no one has freaked out, started screaming, or started tossing out death threats.

Wouldn't it be nice if the rest of the world was like GoG? Minus Dark Reign; hate that game!
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iippo: Saint or not, I do tip my hat for the japanese monk Ryokan (1758–1831).
Same here I also have to tip my hat to Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama
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Fenixp: Breathing is bound to be just about the most worthless thing you do :-P
Well, I do it automatically, so it's hardly even a thing for me UNTIL SOMEONE CALLS ATTENTION TO IT, THAT IS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. Now I have to do it on purpose until I manage to forget about it.
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TyraelCorron: Saints are not personality cults in the first place. Maybe some people make this out of saints. A real religious saint don't prestent himself as the purest or the strongest hero of all time. That would be wrong, totally wrong. A real religious saint points out that there is someone greater than him: God

Without this base, each saint would be sensless and empty.
There are cults of saints. And claiming that "there IS someone greater than me : God" is not exactly the highest form of humility either. Seriously, rank quite high in the religious moral hierarchy, it's not for nothing that they are used as intermediaries between God and humans.


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Ivory&Gold: As in, a lot of this shit is extremely romantic.
That's basically the case of most aspects of all religions. They're mostly cool stuff, and don't require belief to be appreciated (one could argue that not believing even helps appreciating more of them).
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Ivory&Gold:
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Telika: That's basically the case of most aspects of all religions. They're mostly cool stuff, and don't require belief to be appreciated (one could argue that not believing even helps appreciating more of them).
You just described me perfectly. I think that's what makes me a better writer. When I read mythos be it religeous or not I can really get into it and immerse myself in the style, content, characters, plot, etc etc etc without having to contend with how the biblical context is supposed to be running my life.
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Telika: That's basically the case of most aspects of all religions. They're mostly cool stuff, and don't require belief to be appreciated (one could argue that not believing even helps appreciating more of them).
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tinyE: You just described me perfectly. I think that's what makes me a better writer. When I read mythos be it religeous or not I can really get into it and immerse myself in the style, content, characters, plot, etc etc etc without having to contend with how the biblical context is supposed to be running my life.
Dunno. I think being a true believer could be pretty cool. Like being in love, in a strange way. It certainly has inspired many great works of art, literary and otherwise.
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tinyE: You just described me perfectly. I think that's what makes me a better writer. When I read mythos be it religeous or not I can really get into it and immerse myself in the style, content, characters, plot, etc etc etc without having to contend with how the biblical context is supposed to be running my life.
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Ivory&Gold: Dunno. I think being a true believer could be pretty cool. Like being in love, in a strange way. It certainly has inspired many great works of art, literary and otherwise.
Point taken.
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Ivory&Gold: Dunno. I think being a true believer could be pretty cool. Like being in love, in a strange way. It certainly has inspired many great works of art, literary and otherwise.
It's not that hard to try you know, there are many other religions than Christianity and one of them is bound to be focused on something you'd find fascinatng and, in extension, be able to believe in. I sure as heck know that my wife, who is a Christian, is able to draw quite a lot of good from her beliefs (even tho lately she seems to be slowly swaying into my way of looking at life, which does kind of sadden me.)
Post edited January 29, 2013 by Fenixp
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tinyE: You just described me perfectly. I think that's what makes me a better writer. When I read mythos be it religeous or not I can really get into it and immerse myself in the style, content, characters, plot, etc etc etc without having to contend with how the biblical context is supposed to be running my life.
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Ivory&Gold: Dunno. I think being a true believer could be pretty cool. Like being in love, in a strange way. It certainly has inspired many great works of art, literary and otherwise.
Wordplay exercise:

What kind of person is "touched" and what is the original, full expression?

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Anyway, its kind of interesting that dogs know how to live like dog, birds know how to fly, flowers "know" how to bloom and ants know how to build their nests - in essence, nature doesnt really have identity crisis.

On the other hand, we humans grow in science, but still seem to understand less and less about anything at all.

I have to agree with certain, perhaps over quoted dictator: "Our knowledge has made us cynical. Our cleverness, hard and unkind. We think too much and feel too little. "
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iippo: On the other hand, we humans grow in science, but still seem to understand less and less about anything at all.
Actually, we understand more and more, that's precisely the problem :-P I've had a discussion with my wife some time ago, her dad is a mason. I was wondering whether I'd be able to do his job and what does it entail. Her first answer was: "You'd be a terible mason, you'd completely overthink it." And ... Yeah. Without suggesting that I'm any smarter than her dad (who actually is pretty clever, he just actually enjoys his job), I just want to say that the more you think about something, the more you discover and understand, the more complicated is your life going to get.
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Fenixp: It's not that hard to try you know, there are many other religions than Christianity and one of them is bound to be focused on something you'd find fascinatng and, in extension, be able to believe in.
That's a difficult issue, for me. In the unlikely case that I ever "find god" and join a religion, the only realistic choices are Catholicism and Protestantism. I'm now 28 years old, and for better or worse, have been indoctrinated by Christianity for the whole time. In turn, I've developed an understanding for and intimacy with that faith that no other will be able to match. Judaism might suit me more, or Eastern spirituality might fascinate me, but I don't think that studying for three years under some monk in Tibet will make me really understand Buddhism. It's just too alien. I don't get it. Hell, even Orthodox Christianity seems very far away.

On the other hand, the thought of joining these jokers makes me sick.
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tinyE: You just described me perfectly. I think that's what makes me a better writer. When I read mythos be it religeous or not I can really get into it and immerse myself in the style, content, characters, plot, etc etc etc without having to contend with how the biblical context is supposed to be running my life.
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Ivory&Gold: Dunno. I think being a true believer could be pretty cool. Like being in love, in a strange way. It certainly has inspired many great works of art, literary and otherwise.
But it makes it exclusive. While a non-believer may have access to a wider wange of mythologies, without one being disqualified by the endorsement of another.
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iippo: On the other hand, we humans grow in science, but still seem to understand less and less about anything at all.
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Fenixp: Actually, we understand more and more, that's precisely the problem :-P I've had a discussion with my wife some time ago, her dad is a mason. I was wondering whether I'd be able to do his job and what does it entail. Her first answer was: "You'd be a terible mason, you'd completely overthink it." And ... Yeah. Without suggesting that I'm any smarter than her dad (who actually is pretty clever, he just actually enjoys his job), I just want to say that the more you think about something, the more you discover and understand, the more complicated is your life going to get.
Given the context of this discussion, it took me three re-reads to understand that, by "mason", you meant : "mason".
Post edited January 29, 2013 by Telika
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Telika: Given the context of this discussion, it took me three re-reads to understand that, by "mason", you meant : "mason".
Hehe, thank you for proving my point :-P
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Telika: That's basically the case of most aspects of all religions. They're mostly cool stuff, and don't require belief to be appreciated (one could argue that not believing even helps appreciating more of them).
Describes me, though I'm technically Catholic (I'm Irish what did you expect :P) I appreciate and admire all religions as they're interesting and have great philosophy. Though I feel I'm slowly turning away from religion I'm afriad of becoming an Atheist for fear of becoming narrow-minded and cynical when it comes to life. That's only my opinion, no offence to Atheists.


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tinyE: You just described me perfectly. I think that's what makes me a better writer. When I read mythos be it religeous or not I can really get into it and immerse myself in the style, content, characters, plot, etc etc etc without having to contend with how the biblical context is supposed to be running my life.
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Ivory&Gold: Dunno. I think being a true believer could be pretty cool. Like being in love, in a strange way. It certainly has inspired many great works of art, literary and otherwise.
It has inspired science as well which some people tend to forget, for example the Arabs had advanced maths for the time due to trying to measure the distance to mecca and other such religious "experiments".
Post edited January 29, 2013 by McDon