djdarko: Grand Theft Auto

You just committed multiple felonies, and the entire police squad along with helicopters are chasing you - you run home and go to bed, and everything is all better. lol

HiPhish: RPGs where the effectiveness of your guns depends on your skill. And I don't just mean you are less likely to miss, I mean the gun actually does more damage.
http://www.duelinganalogs.com/comic/role-playing-game-logic-guns/

DubConqueror: In RPG's, every RPG really: none of the RPG worlds I know would be feasible from a food-chain perspective: you hardly ever come across fields where food-plants are grown, so there's never enough food to feed all the NPC's hanging around let alone all those monsters that prey on ordinary humans: a functioning economy would be impossible and with so many monsters roaming the land, a real country would collapse and the population die of starvation in a matter of months, while most RPG-civilizations have histories going back hundreds or thousands of years, even though the land is hardly tilted and infected with swarms of monsters as well.

Crispy78: Can you not just make the assumption that there are acres of cabbages somewhere, just the adventurers tend not to hang around in them? ;)

lukaszthegreat: what?

The lack of proper maps and how important they are is irritating me. Wolf is not the only one which fucked up maps when it should not have done so.

priamus90: Age of Empires is full of misconceptions.
Like that a civilisation that starts out with 3 male villagers can still reproduce.

priamus90: Age of Empires is full of misconceptions.
Like that a civilisation that starts out with 3 male villagers can still reproduce.
Or that walls break down after a few strikes of a ram, but the stomach of a villager can take a lot more of those.
Or that you can ram crops and put them on fire.

There are a lot.....

Crispy78: Can you not just make the assumption that there are acres of cabbages somewhere, just the adventurers tend not to hang around in them? ;)

Fenixp: Skyrim moved this to a whole new level by giving you a literal satellite view - real fucking useful, especially the realism the GPS view has taken, not showing you town names, roads, area and river names... You know, is map I want in Skyrim. That's something you can get from shopkeep, while your character is marking discovered locations on it. [url=http://majamaki.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/skyrim-ingame-west-lg.png]This is fucking useless. Thank god you can mod it to , but it's still going to render the texture on 3D heightmap of the world. Grrr. <a href="http://www.gog.com/forum/general_archive/irritating_misconceptions_about_the_real_world_in_games/post178" class="link_arrow"></a></div> This is why I miss games where mapping was the most important part, like in Wizardry. You literally needed graph paper and pencil to finish that game without getting lost. Although, [url=https://richardgoodness.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/wizardry6maps-e1374169060795.jpg]it did get a little messy...

The thing is, PC games are really limited in terms of what information they can convey. When a character is standing somewhere in game, the incredibly limited perspective makes it hard to orient. I don't understand why people fuss so much about games trying to find workarounds for the technological limitations that mean players don't get the same info they would in real life.

It's kind of a bandwidth problem - video games are limited to 2 senses (sight and sound) basically, and the scope of those senses is limited even more by the screen size and speaker setup. Games that present a player with no map, for example, are actually presenting them with much less information than an ordinary person would have IRL with their directional sense and place memory.

For me, games are entertainment - and if a piece of entertainment is going to demand as much of my attention as real life, I'm going to go do something IRL. If I have to pull out papers maps, I'm going to go on a trip with friends. If I have to start learning complex chemistry, I'm going to go do actual chemistry experiments (a good starting place is https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/). If I have to start paying attention to ingredient lists, I'm going to go cook something. I play games because it's easier and more fantastical than RL.

Games are fundamentally less productive than RL and therefore I'm going to put less effort in, because if I wanted to put that much effort into (for example) making my own gear I'd learn smithing or tailoring and actually make my own gear.

HGiles: The thing is, PC games are really limited in terms of what information they can convey. When a character is standing somewhere in game, the incredibly limited perspective makes it hard to orient. I don't understand why people fuss so much about games trying to find workarounds for the technological limitations that mean players don't get the same info they would in real life.

It's kind of a bandwidth problem - video games are limited to 2 senses (sight and sound) basically, and the scope of those senses is limited even more by the screen size and speaker setup. Games that present a player with no map, for example, are actually presenting them with much less information than an ordinary person would have IRL with their directional sense and place memory.

For me, games are entertainment - and if a piece of entertainment is going to demand as much of my attention as real life, I'm going to go do something IRL. If I have to pull out papers maps, I'm going to go on a trip with friends. If I have to start learning complex chemistry, I'm going to go do actual chemistry experiments (a good starting place is https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/). If I have to start paying attention to ingredient lists, I'm going to go cook something. I play games because it's easier and more fantastical than RL.

Games are fundamentally less productive than RL and therefore I'm going to put less effort in, because if I wanted to put that much effort into (for example) making my own gear I'd learn smithing or tailoring and actually make my own gear.

Roccandil: I see where you're coming from. All the same, a game like Skyrim, because of how realistic parts of it are, increases expectations that all of it should meet a certain standard of realism. I was frustrated, for instance, in Skyrim because there was a cliff that looked to me to be perfectly climbable (I've done a little of that), but due to the colliders, I couldn't pull it off.

A game like Eador, on the other hand, has a far more abstracted environment, and so I accept gameplay limitations far more readily.

RoloTony: Haha, so true!

Exoanthrope: This is why I miss games where mapping was the most important part, like in Wizardry. You literally needed graph paper and pencil to finish that game without getting lost. Although, it did get a little messy...