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Elmofongo: Thats what people said after Robocop 3, and than the reboot ended up WORSE than Robocop 3.
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Coelocanth: I'm actually not one to jump on the hate bandwagon, but I honestly can't conceive of a movie sequel/reboot that could be worse than Crystal Skulls. I had low expectations for it since it was so much later than the last Indy movie and it was worse than i ever could have imagined. One of the worst movies I've ever seen in my life. Terrible, terrible abomination. Awful.
I just thought it was just meh on the same level of The Lost World and Jurassic Park III, not too terrible, but not too amazing either.

And I have watched Raiders of the Lost Ark afterward mind you.

THIS MOVIE ON THE OTHER HAND IS SO AWFUL AND SO MISTREATING TO ITS SOURCE I CAN BARELY LOOK AT IT, LOOKING AT IT MAKES ME CRINGE:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzIraLLe7U8
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pimpmonkey2382: Mostly shit from the 20's.
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Elmofongo: I personally think preventing these movies from going public domain is the least of their reason they want to reboot movies. Its all about getting money now.
It has no effect whatsoever on the public domain. Sherlock Holmes is a good example, the older stories are public domain, but some of the newer ones are still protected. So, you can do whatever you like with the characters, plots and stories of the older works, but you do get somewhat constrained with what you can do with the newer works that are still protected.
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Elmofongo: Thats what people said after Robocop 3, and than the reboot ended up WORSE than Robocop 3.
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Coelocanth: I'm actually not one to jump on the hate bandwagon, but I honestly can't conceive of a movie sequel/reboot that could be worse than Crystal Skulls. I had low expectations for it since it was so much later than the last Indy movie and it was worse than i ever could have imagined. One of the worst movies I've ever seen in my life. Terrible, terrible abomination. Awful.
The Crystal Skulls wasn't that bad. The main thing about it was that dumbass ending. People griping about the refrigerator and the camp really need to go back and watch the previous movies. I mean for God's sake Indie road on the outside of a submarine for several thousand miles. Whether or not the sub ever actually went underwater, it seems very strange that nobody ever noticed him hanging on there.

The ending though was truly awful, nothing about the movie suggested that this was a possibility.
Post edited June 15, 2014 by hedwards
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hedwards: The Crystal Skulls wasn't that bad. The main thing about it was that dumbass ending. People griping about the refrigerator and the camp really need to go back and watch the previous movies. I mean for God's sake Indie road on the outside of a submarine for several thousand miles. Whether or not the sub ever actually went underwater, it seems very strange that nobody ever noticed him hanging on there.

The ending though was truly awful, nothing about the movie suggested that this was a possibility.
Just saying how the movie struck me. There was the ending for certain. The refrigerator thing, in my mind, was far more egregious than the submarine (at least you could come up with some slightly plausible explanation for how he managed to survive the sub trip, however much it stretches credulity. But surviving a nuclear blast in a refrigerator? Sorry. No can do. And that's not even taking into account the damage the force of the blast itself would do, never mind the radiation). Then there's Shia LaBeouf. Fucking terrible actor and terrible choice for the part. Then there's the entire script. Honestly, from my personal perspective, this is one of the worst movies I've ever had the misfortune to watch. And I've watched a lot of bad movies.
I wish they would stop destroying my childhood. Star Wars is already a lost cause, but Indy is still something that makes me think of the good old movies. Let it stay that way.
If they can make 500 million by having an Indy reboot, they'll do it. It's not about artistic choice or even common sense. People are addicted to cheap entertainment. They cannot refuse it, so the suits in Hollywood keep filling that supply, just like a drug dealer would. You have to get help, people. You have to admit to your addiction, and begin to pull away and find a better way to live life. Unless and until the people stop feeding this beast, nothing will change. We will have sequels and reboots until the sun sets in the east and the sky falls.

For me, Indy ended with Last Crusade. It was a great trilogy, and we got to see it end with Indy and co. racing off into the sunset to the Indy theme song. Indy still had amazing adventures waiting, and we all got to go home and imagine wonderful things about the future. What we got was a 4th movie 25 years later with 70 year old Indy hiding in a fridge and shaking down alien collectibles. Did anyone really want to see that? Do we want to see a new Indy with much less charisma doing the same things we've already seen several times with a much better cast and crew? I don't.
I too tend to think of Indiana Jones as a trilogy. The fourth one was a not as strong.

In terms of reboots which are successful I would suggest Battlestar Galactica. It had a problem with too many filler episodes in season two, but overall was a great reinterpretation.
God I hate revisionists. And people who just want to beat old ideas to death.

I'm one of those who calls it "Raiders of the Lost Ark", not "Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark." (And Han shot first)

The first movie had some grit. Karen Allen overacted (if you can call it acting) and some of the fx did seem a bit goofy (especially at the end), but despite that, there was something more "real" about it. As far as I'm concerned, they turned the series into a comic book starting with the second movie, and just kept going downhill after that.
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pimpmonkey2382: Nothing is THAT bad.
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Elmofongo: I personally thought Robocop 3 was at least better than Robocop 2, I hated Robocop 2 with every fiber of my being.
Whenever someone mentions the abominations that came after the first RoboCop movie, I just take a minute to bask in the unending glory that was the original film.

For starters, it had the best gang of bad guys in motion picture history: Red Forman with Heinrich Himmler-eyeglasses, Leland Palmer, Dr. Romano, Guerilla Eddie Murphy (dat laugh) and Mr Lee from the "Ancient Chinese Secret"-Calgon-commercial.
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Elmofongo: I personally thought Robocop 3 was at least better than Robocop 2, I hated Robocop 2 with every fiber of my being.
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fronzelneekburm: Whenever someone mentions the abominations that came after the first RoboCop movie, I just take a minute to bask in the unending glory that was the original film.

For starters, it had the best gang of bad guys in motion picture history: Red Forman with Heinrich Himmler-eyeglasses, Leland Palmer, Dr. Romano, Guerilla Eddie Murphy (dat laugh) and Mr Lee from the "Ancient Chinese Secret"-Calgon-commercial.
And Robocop defeated Terminator:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLjlnoAT_ns#t=346
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hedwards: The Crystal Skulls wasn't that bad. The main thing about it was that dumbass ending. People griping about the refrigerator and the camp really need to go back and watch the previous movies. I mean for God's sake Indie road on the outside of a submarine for several thousand miles. Whether or not the sub ever actually went underwater, it seems very strange that nobody ever noticed him hanging on there.

The ending though was truly awful, nothing about the movie suggested that this was a possibility.
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Coelocanth: Just saying how the movie struck me. There was the ending for certain. The refrigerator thing, in my mind, was far more egregious than the submarine (at least you could come up with some slightly plausible explanation for how he managed to survive the sub trip, however much it stretches credulity. But surviving a nuclear blast in a refrigerator? Sorry. No can do. And that's not even taking into account the damage the force of the blast itself would do, never mind the radiation). Then there's Shia LaBeouf. Fucking terrible actor and terrible choice for the part. Then there's the entire script. Honestly, from my personal perspective, this is one of the worst movies I've ever had the misfortune to watch. And I've watched a lot of bad movies.
I take it you're not familiar with the genre that Indiana Jones references, it's always been silly like that. Don't forget about the ride out of the plane using a raft, the blood that brainwashed people or clinging to the side of the cliff. The refrigerator is a bit over the top, but it's hardly that much more over the top than what's come before.

I think the movie could have been better, but I think the people bitching about parts other than the ending need to go back and rewatch the older movies because there's been that sort of ridiculous silliness pretty much from day one.
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Elmofongo: I personally thought Robocop 3 was at least better than Robocop 2, I hated Robocop 2 with every fiber of my being.
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pimpmonkey2382: I though 2 while no where near as good as 1, was infinitely better than 3.
It could have been worse.
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hedwards: I take it you're not familiar with the genre that Indiana Jones references,
To the contrary, I'm well familiar with the genre.

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hedwards: it's always been silly like that. Don't forget about the ride out of the plane using a raft, the blood that brainwashed people or clinging to the side of the cliff. The refrigerator is a bit over the top, but it's hardly that much more over the top than what's come before.

I think the movie could have been better, but I think the people bitching about parts other than the ending need to go back and rewatch the older movies because there's been that sort of ridiculous silliness pretty much from day one.
All very good and valid points. The issue I have with the fourth movie is a complete lack of soul. I found the first and third movies had plenty of it with the second one being somewhat of a lesser movie than those two. Yes, there were a ton of over-the-top and ridiculous scenes. But somehow they worked and the movies were enjoyable (again, the second one to a much lesser extent).

But the fourth one - none of that. Maybe it was the creaky, shambling 70-year-old Indy. Maybe it was the passage of so much time from the third movie. Maybe it was the supporting cast. Whatever it was, it didn't work. At least not for me. I can still enjoy the other movies and rewatch them at least once a year. I suffered through the fourth one a second time because my daughter wanted to see it (incidentally, she hated it as well and had no idea what my opinion of it was, as I didn't want to taint her enjoyment of it). But I'll never watch it again.
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fronzelneekburm: Who's gonna direct it? JJ Abrams?
Lens flare in caves? Why not?!
Robocop wasn't enough?
And now they want to make a another half assed reboot of one of the most iconic characters of the 80's?
It's a bullshit three ring circus sideshow of freaks

Here in this hopeless fucking hole we call L.A.
The only way to fix it is to flush it all away.
Any fucking time. Any fucking day.
Learn to swim, I'll see you down in Arizona Bay.

Some say a comet will fall from the sky.
Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves.
Followed by fault lines that cannot sit still.
Followed by millions of dumbfounded dipshits.

Some say the end is near.
Some say we'll see Armageddon soon.
I certainly hope we will
I sure could use a vacation from this

Stupid shit, silly shit, stupid shit...

One great big festering neon distraction,
I've a suggestion to keep you all occupied.

Learn to swim.
Post edited June 16, 2014 by Randalator