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JudasIscariot: It's not that at all. It's just what metric do you use to determine that someone's trustworthy?

Sure, there are lots of ways one can state "This person is trustworthy, to me" but it's subjective. What objective method would you use to determine that someone is trustworthy?
It's more like "What should GOG use to determine whether a user is eligible for this feature?" Right now it's nothing since it doesn't exist. But I'm saying there should be something. :)

Building up customer perks in some way, like with every successful purchase or <something something something>, would be a solution to this. The answer is likely in the blanks that we need to fill, but I do believe something can be worked.

The other solution is to say "can't do anything, sorry" and everything stays the same, and I personally don't believe in inflexible systems that must be adhered to forever and ever. And you're right, it's probably best added to the site feedback area and then have a thread discussing the system/raising awareness. I would recommend that someone who knows more about it than I do (which is anyone else :P) do just that and I'll add my +1 and chime in my 2 cents. :D
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JudasIscariot: OFG, again, I said all I could comfortably speak about in this sensitive matter. I urge you and everyone else to use the site feedback function regarding this issue. I am sorry I can't be of anymore help :/
Yeah, I know, I hope you're not under the mistaken impression I'm angry with you, because I'm not AT ALL. Heck, you didn't even need to post in here at all, so I'm thankful for all the info you've provided.

My frustration is with more or less "the system" as a whole as it is, once again, another example of honest people getting treated badly because of the acts of others. It's just.... bassackwards.

But I apologize if my frustration appeared to be directed at you in any way whatsoever, as that was NOT my intent. You've done me so many favors in the past it would be hard for me to ever get have any justification for directing any anger or frustration at you.

EDIT: I see my post above said the word "you" in it several times. Sorry, that was pointed at gog dot com, not you Judas. Maybe that was what I did wrong. Sorry.
Post edited April 22, 2014 by OldFatGuy
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OldFatGuy: -snip-
Like Judas said, might be policy to prevent something like this: http://unknownworlds.com/blog/beware-shady-key-resellers-and-discount-steam-keys/

got costly to Unknown Worlds Entertainment.
Post edited April 22, 2014 by iippo
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OldFatGuy: -snip-
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iippo: Like Judas said, might be policy to prevent something like this: http://unknownworlds.com/blog/beware-shady-key-resellers-and-discount-steam-keys/

got costly to Unknown Worlds Entertainment.
Exactly what I was talking about :) Thanks :)


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JudasIscariot: OFG, again, I said all I could comfortably speak about in this sensitive matter. I urge you and everyone else to use the site feedback function regarding this issue. I am sorry I can't be of anymore help :/
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OldFatGuy: Yeah, I know, I hope you're not under the mistaken impression I'm angry with you, because I'm not AT ALL. Heck, you didn't even need to post in here at all, so I'm thankful for all the info you've provided.

My frustration is with more or less "the system" as a whole as it is, once again, another example of honest people getting treated badly because of the acts of others. It's just.... bassackwards.

But I apologize if my frustration appeared to be directed at you in any way whatsoever, as that was NOT my intent. You've done me so many favors in the past it would be hard for me to ever get have any justification for directing any anger or frustration at you.

EDIT: I see my post above said the word "you" in it several times. Sorry, that was pointed at gog dot com, not you Judas. Maybe that was what I did wrong. Sorry.
OFG, I know you weren't angry at me and I am usually pretty good at spotting the "general you" and "you in specifc" versions of "you".

No harm, no foul :)
Post edited April 22, 2014 by JudasIscariot
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Tarnicus: I can purchase one copy of Blackguards for $45 but cannot purchase 10 games at once on sale at $1.50 each...this is a perfect example of 'the law'(or rule in this place) not achieving it's intended purpose. Given the amount of gifting on this site, it would be nice if GoG could figure out a solution to this :)
The idea of GOG behind this seems to be that if you purchase one copy you probably want it for yourself while if you oder 10 copies you probably are a criminal.
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JudasIscariot: ... Look I know it's a PITA, all I can say is send us site feedback, please :)
Done. I added a number of suggestions:

Existing suggestion:
http://www.gog.com/wishlist/site/multiple_gift_codes_with_one_multiple_games_purchase (already 500 votes)

And I added:
http://www.gog.com/wishlist/site/multiple_purchases_in_one_order_if_a_certain_volume_is_not_exceeded
http://www.gog.com/wishlist/site/multiple_purchases_in_one_order_if_already_a_number_of_games_owned
http://www.gog.com/wishlist/site/multiple_purchases_in_one_order_if_already_a_number_of_games_gifted
http://www.gog.com/wishlist/site/multiple_purchases_in_one_order_if_paying_by_store_credit

Fire and forget. Hopefully one of them gets through the defenses. :)

(Especially the stores credit (equivalent to blue coins on GamersGate) sounds very promising for multiple gifting.)
Post edited April 22, 2014 by Trilarion
During the whole talk about regional pricing, I think someone from the GOG team posted that they're planning on introducing a wallet that would enable people who buy the game for a higher price to choose any price-eligible GOG game(s).

If it gets added to the site [and users can fund it themselves], it'll sort your credit card problems, though you'll still have to make X separate purchases.
Post edited April 22, 2014 by DrYaboll
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grimwerk: I remember when Cadaver747 bought 100 copies of Kyrandia to give away when it was released. Poor fella had to buy them one at a time.
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niniendowarrior: Holy hell! Seriously???
Yeah, I wondered about it and asked him. I'd imagined that somehow he and support would have worked something out, but nope: click, click, click, etc. Still, he seemed to be a good sport about it.
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Tarnicus: I can purchase one copy of Blackguards for $45 but cannot purchase 10 games at once on sale at $1.50 each...this is a perfect example of 'the law'(or rule in this place) not achieving it's intended purpose. Given the amount of gifting on this site, it would be nice if GoG could figure out a solution to this :)
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Trilarion: The idea of GOG behind this seems to be that if you purchase one copy you probably want it for yourself while if you oder 10 copies you probably are a criminal.
But if you make ten individual purchases then you're a very persistent criminal? Sounds pretty darn close to actual work, and at that point one may as well get a real job.



The funny thing is, there apparently is SOME honor among 'thieves' (as the game biz generally views every single one of us), as we all know how crazy-stupid-easy it is to get titles for free. And in that I find some irony: instead of simply pirating games, we have A) someone buying them legally during a sale at the same price everyone else paid, and B) someone willing to buy the games from that third-party code-reseller for a price somewhere between the regular price and the last sale price that was authorized by the retailer and the IP holder.
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HereForTheBeer: The funny thing is, there apparently is SOME honor among 'thieves' (as the game biz generally views every single one of us), as we all know how crazy-stupid-easy it is to get titles for free. And in that I find some irony: instead of simply pirating games, we have A) someone buying them legally during a sale at the same price everyone else paid, and B) someone willing to buy the games from that third-party code-reseller for a price somewhere between the regular price and the last sale price that was authorized by the retailer and the IP holder.
So I'll ask again, are we talking individuals here or are we talking businesses that sell keys? Because I've never seen a business that sells gog keys other than gog. And I can't imagine an individual being able to get away with it on a scale big enough to really effect things.

But as I said above, I'm sure I'm not understanding something here.
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HereForTheBeer: The funny thing is, there apparently is SOME honor among 'thieves' (as the game biz generally views every single one of us), as we all know how crazy-stupid-easy it is to get titles for free. And in that I find some irony: instead of simply pirating games, we have A) someone buying them legally during a sale at the same price everyone else paid, and B) someone willing to buy the games from that third-party code-reseller for a price somewhere between the regular price and the last sale price that was authorized by the retailer and the IP holder.
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OldFatGuy: So I'll ask again, are we talking individuals here or are we talking businesses that sell keys? Because I've never seen a business that sells gog keys other than gog. And I can't imagine an individual being able to get away with it on a scale big enough to really effect things.

But as I said above, I'm sure I'm not understanding something here.
I think I'm missing something, too. For someone to resell, it means that an original sale (aka "revenue") happened. If someone wants to buy up my entire inventory, please - go nuts! Wanna resell it for a higher price afterward? Again: please - go nuts. You'll run out and I'll have more to offer, and it spreads my name around even farther.
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iippo: Like Judas said, might be policy to prevent something like this: http://unknownworlds.com/blog/beware-shady-key-resellers-and-discount-steam-keys/

got costly to Unknown Worlds Entertainment.
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JudasIscariot: Exactly what I was talking about :) Thanks :)

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OldFatGuy: Yeah, I know, I hope you're not under the mistaken impression I'm angry with you, because I'm not AT ALL. Heck, you didn't even need to post in here at all, so I'm thankful for all the info you've provided.

My frustration is with more or less "the system" as a whole as it is, once again, another example of honest people getting treated badly because of the acts of others. It's just.... bassackwards.

But I apologize if my frustration appeared to be directed at you in any way whatsoever, as that was NOT my intent. You've done me so many favors in the past it would be hard for me to ever get have any justification for directing any anger or frustration at you.

EDIT: I see my post above said the word "you" in it several times. Sorry, that was pointed at gog dot com, not you Judas. Maybe that was what I did wrong. Sorry.
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JudasIscariot: OFG, I know you weren't angry at me and I am usually pretty good at spotting the "general you" and "you in specifc" versions of "you".

No harm, no foul :)
Hmm its an interesting situation for sure, which sure how hurtful are CC for small businesses are. But I would assume someone using a stolen CC, can still purchase multiple transactions and GOG would still go in same trouble, so not allowing multiple gifts in same transactions doesn't stop that. Secondly, WHY DOES GOG has a rep system if it is not used for anything, I would think someone with a certain rep should be trustworthy enough from GOG point of view (cause he probably has a huge catalog with GOG, had been accepted by community and gifted multiple times). It seems that GOG is just lazy to do anything, and assuming that doing multiple transactions just prevents such fraud.
I often wondered about this too as it is a royal pain to make singular purchases. Luckily I haven't run into any issues with PayPal, as that is my method of payment here. This was put to the test during Insomnia Sale. I have come to the conclusion that maybe I should put a little money towards my PP account so I don't get hit with these singular charges. They quickly clutter up my statements! XD

EDIT, maybe if someone had a long transaction history/library, could have the allowance of 5 separate keys per order.
Post edited April 22, 2014 by foxworks
Next time there is a promo and I want to gift something I will experiment with an open source macro programm (auto hotkey) to try to easily have an independent solution for this. I guess that I can share my credit card details with another programm if it is open source and well often used and not directly communicating with the internet (I can set it to block in the firewall before), after all I also need to trust my browser. If it works I can report back.
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Trilarion: Next time there is a promo and I want to gift something I will experiment with an open source macro programm (auto hotkey) to try to easily have an independent solution for this. I guess that I can share my credit card details with another programm if it is open source and well often used and not directly communicating with the internet (I can set it to block in the firewall before), after all I also need to trust my browser. If it works I can report back.
But all that solves is the repetitive typing and clicking, if I understand it correctly. That's not what really bothers me (although if I were ever to buy 100 copies of something like the example above I guess it would, but I can't foresee any circumstance where I'd ever do that).

What bothers me is the credit card company (and often PayPal) will begin to refuse payment after sometimes just first purchase, but especially after two or more, quickly, at the same site. It's happened to me multiple times, I've complained, and the explanation I've received is it is some sort of "automatic" credit card fraud signal being set off. Automatic meaning it's all in a computer algorithm, and thus happens despite your past flawless behavior. PayPal is notorious for it. And the only solution is to call them on the phone, get a real person, and let them know it's really you and not credit card fraud.

So I don't think a macro will help, in fact, it will probably more likely trigger that response, if what I was told was true.