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Posted February 19, 2012
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wpegg: Who are these people who are so trigger happy with the downrep button? I'd really like to know. If you clicked it, please reply to this, and explain why I am getting a thread hidden from me, when I have no problem with it.

I think in my entire time on the forums I've clicked it about 5 times. It's not meant to indicate that you don't agree with a topic. It's supposed to indicate a thread is spam, highly offensive, or in some other way innapropriate.

Will anyone actually own up to pressing it?
Fair enough...

"I'm thinking about selling my Steam , GamersGate and Telltale accounts . Too many games too little time . :("

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"I know i can't sell these accounts . I just watch the lists of games that i own , and realised that i spent too much money on them in the past years ."

What's the point of the thread? To complain that he's got too many games? Then later he says he knows he can't sell the accounts. So... then seriously what's the point? There's not even anything to go on in the OP - nothing to encourage further conversation, just that one statement.

I wasn't going to say something but didn't because I obviously didn't care much for the thread. Now that you asked... well... there's the answer.

And for ne_zavarj, you've been a great part of the community, but I often see you post these types of posts which unfortunately just sound like non-constructive complaints. It's perfectly acceptable to share your feelings and frustrations, but it'd be much more effective if you do it in a more constructive way.
Posted February 19, 2012
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GoJays2025: Fair enough...

"I'm thinking about selling my Steam , GamersGate and Telltale accounts . Too many games too little time . :("

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"I know i can't sell these accounts . I just watch the lists of games that i own , and realised that i spent too much money on them in the past years ."

What's the point of the thread? To complain that he's got too many games? Then later he says he knows he can't sell the accounts. So... then seriously what's the point? There's not even anything to go on in the OP - nothing to encourage further conversation, just that one statement.

I wasn't going to say something but didn't because I obviously didn't care much for the thread. Now that you asked... well... there's the answer.

And for ne_zavarj, you've been a great part of the community, but I often see you post these types of posts which unfortunately just sound like non-constructive complaints. It's perfectly acceptable to share your feelings and frustrations, but it'd be much more effective if you do it in a more constructive way.
Ok, thanks for coming forward with that. It does take courage to be called out in the manner I did, and then for you to actually stand up.

I suppose we'll agree to differ on what the downvoting button is for. The thing that annoys me is that when a post is low repped, I get it hidden from me. I don't like other people making that choice for me based on opinion rather than because it's actually trouble.
Posted February 19, 2012
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wpegg: Ok, thanks for coming forward with that. It does take courage to be called out in the manner I did, and then for you to actually stand up.

I suppose we'll agree to differ on what the downvoting button is for. The thing that annoys me is that when a post is low repped, I get it hidden from me. I don't like other people making that choice for me based on opinion rather than because it's actually trouble.
I don't downvote very often either. I do think people have a right to voice their opinions even if they're vastly against what I believe in. However, I just felt the OP was too much like spam - no real opinions voiced, nothing to encourage conversation and doesn't really contribute to anything at all. If a little something like "How do you make time for your games?" or whatever was added at the end, then it would have given the post actual validity.
Posted February 19, 2012
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FraterPerdurabo: This is one thing that I never understood.
"I quit playing games/WoW/xyz MMO/etc therefore I must sell my account"
Don't be an idiot. If you end up selling your account it will be at a massive undervalue anyway. Just keep it for when you snap out of your mid-life crisis and if the temptation is too much for you to handle, give it to a fellow GOGer who can look after it until you feel like coming back.
Sometimes I think it's easier to drop a destructive compulsive activity than to moderate it. I LOVE peanut butter, but it gives me terrible migraines if I eat too much of it. I've had very little success controlling myself so I had to give it up. :(
Posted February 19, 2012
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FraterPerdurabo: Just keep it for when you snap out of your mid-life crisis and if the temptation is too much for you to handle, give it to a fellow GOGer who can look after it until you feel like coming back.
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Aliasalpha: I've never understood that giving it up kind of thing. I've never heard of anyone giving up books or movies because they take up too much time.
Didn't you throw out a copy of X-Wing vs. Tie Fighter because it was taking up too much room? Same thing:)
Posted February 19, 2012
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wpegg: <>

The thing that annoys me is that when a post is low repped, I get it hidden from me. I don't like other people making that choice for me based on opinion rather than because it's actually trouble.
I think if you go into the options you can make it to where down repped posts are not hidden from you.
Posted February 20, 2012
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hedwards: No, I didn't use any logical fallacy, but you sure did. Unless you can demonstrate that there aren't any, not even one, person who has ruined their life in that fashion and recognizes it. Which of course you can't, because you're relying upon a tired and flawed line of reasoning.
No, the point is that those are PSYCHOLOGICAL addictions. Psychological addictions can be to any stimulus, the stimulus in question is perfectly ordinary to most people but to people with this particular mental oddity, they become the focus of an obssessive compulsion that bears the hallmarks of a physiological addiction.

The stimulus in question is blameless because the addictive compulsion comes from within rather than without. If games were ACTUALLY PHYSIOLOGICALLY addictive, there would be massive amounts of people addicted to them in the same way there is to tobacco. There aren't because all the games are is a stimulus that people with a psychological predilection towards addiction may become unhealthily attached to.

In this case, the problem is in the processor, not in the input and anyone who jumps to the conclusion that the input is at fault for processor problems needs a good kick in the head and a long lecture about what constitutes valid scientific data.

Also, the last fucking thing I'd do is take the piss out of people with mental illnesses since I've got one myself. I get quite enough crap from vapid shitbags who are confident that the cure to my crippling depression is to "just smile some more".
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orcishgamer: Didn't you throw out a copy of X-Wing vs. Tie Fighter because it was taking up too much room? Same thing:)
WHAT?? Never! I threw out the BOX because it was empty & useless but I'm keeping that game forever
Post edited February 20, 2012 by Aliasalpha
Posted February 20, 2012
Actually at some point past I used to unplug the power cord from my TV after use every time in order to make it harder for me to turn the TV on, you know more movement, not just pressing a button on the remote. It worked for some weeks (until I stopped this habit) and my TV consumption was considerably lower. I explained it to me the following way:

I have strong moments and weak moments. Moments in which I want to change myself and moments in which I just want to follow my addictions (or whatever they are called). So I have to use the strong moments to protect me in weak moments. Just rob myself of opportunities to waste time.

I can't say it is a very efficient or intelligent strategy, but it is one that works, at least to some extent. It simply works.

So if zavarj wants to close his accounts - he should do so. He might even ask for a temporary ban, if he thinks that he might change his opinion. If they are kind and able, they'll do it.
Post edited February 20, 2012 by Trilarion
Posted February 20, 2012
Did you tie multiple games to a single account? That almost always reduces the resale value. While selling accounts is technically not possible, account credentials are a different story. Go for it, if the (little) money you regain will lessen your regrets.
Posted February 20, 2012
Aliasalpha, I think you're fighting an unnecessary fight. hedwards' opinion isn't much different from your own (actually he was the one who mentioned the interchangeability of stimuli first, in Star Wars example). For some reason that statement rubbed you the wrong way because you see it as "blaming" the addicted for their addiction, although hedwards never meant that (as far as I understood). He wasn't even concerned with "blaming" anything, he was just stating facts.

I don't think that the "blame" factor that you introduced into the discussion is particularly helpful. It tends to lead to emotionally charged discussions. Imho, discussing the problem (and potential causes) is more productive than trying to shift blame around.

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Aliasalpha: The stimulus in question is blameless because the addictive compulsion comes from within rather than without.
It's not quite so black and white. Of course there's a huge psychological factor involved, and lots of gamers play games without becoming addicted. On the other hand, the gaming industry can't design games which use well-known psychological principles to put players into motivational treadmills, market their products as "addictive", and then claim that any addiction that actually emerges is solely based on malfunctions in the player's psyche. It's a complex and complicated topic.
Posted February 20, 2012
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Psyringe: It's not quite so black and white. Of course there's a huge psychological factor involved, and lots of gamers play games without becoming addicted. On the other hand, the gaming industry can't design games which use well-known psychological principles to put players into motivational treadmills, market their products as "addictive", and then claim that any addiction that actually emerges is solely based on malfunctions in the player's psyche. It's a complex and complicated topic.
Indeed. There was an article about it on cracked.com, I think that someone posted it here long ago, but not sure: 5 Creepy Ways Video Games Are Trying to Get You Addicted

When there is an insane amount of people addicted to some game, like with wow or that zynga/fb crap (which from what I heard employ some really disgusting and very obvious tricks), even people who never play/played anything else, you know that something is "off". There is pretty much always some serious, sometimes even disgusting behavioral research behind everything that is supposed to have mass appeal nowadays. Many of the products wouldn't be able to make it otherwise.
Posted February 21, 2012
http://www.edge-online.com/opinion/opinion-gaming-opiate
Posted February 21, 2012
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timppu: Who am I talking to anyway, are you even the original ne_zavarj?
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ne_zavarj: You called ?

I know i can't sell these accounts . I just watch the lists of games that i own , and realised that i spent too much money on them in the past years .
I bought ne_zavar's account yesterday.
Posted February 21, 2012
1) It is perfectly legal to sell exclusove access to a Steam account.

2) I thonk this is a real problem with digital gaming, the permenant ownership. I would love the oppurtunoty to "trade in" around 80% of my steam titles, and all my direct to drive titles.

3) Steam accounts are valuef solely based on the top ticket multiplayer games present like COD, BF, CS, etc. The largest customer base is comprised of total pirates who tend to cheat and get.banmed, thus needing new accounts. Expect to recieve 1/10th of the value of the MP games. I have heard of 200-300 game steam accounts selling for $30.

4) Aliasalphas exposition is indisputable, scientifically proven fact, not an opinion. I thonk that this is a big problem on the internet, everything is a pissing contest. If someone says the sky is blue, and the sun is hot, you don't get to argue, you just look like an idiot.
Post edited February 21, 2012 by anjohl
Posted February 21, 2012
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anjohl: 1) It is perfectly legal to sell exclusove access to a Steam account.
it's against the SSA. since you have to agree to that in order to become a Steam member, Valve have every right to ban accounts that have been sold.
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