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Posted March 12, 2012
And I imagine this will be an interesting thread.
Posted March 12, 2012
Best guess as to which candidate will bask in the warm glow of approval from the Bilderberg Group.
Posted March 12, 2012
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XmXFLUXmX: Ron Paul is a loser and he is weak. He only appeals to young, left-wing college kids, who have drug dependency issues.
I don't recall who said it, but it went something like this. "I became a conservative from being around liberals. Then I became I libertarian from being around conservatives."

I've never been liberal, but damn does it ring true for this.

He blames America because it's America's fault. We meddle in things that shouldn't concern us. We put Saddam Hussein in power, we put an Iran dictator in power, overthrowing a democracy in the process. We put troops on Saudi Arabian soil. Mecca is there, the Islamic holy land. Radicals are offended by that. And if those reasons aren't enough. We've been bombing Arabian countries for decades. Examine what the reasons actually are for 9/11, and not the media propaganda, "they hate us because we're free and prosperous" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoewtBQP32E

War does not determine who is right, but who is left. Look at Japan and WWII. The biggest terrorist attack in history was the dropping of the atomic bomb. I'm not saying whether it was the best decision, but the fact is, it was an attack on civilians and not armed forces.

I fail to see how attacking countries helps our defense. He isn't cutting defense, he's cutting offense. I don't see how wasting money on military operations makes us stronger. All it is doing is breeding hate in the Middle East. They don't know why we're there. Many of them don't even know 9/11 happened.


Outsourcing is part of capitalism. If we didn't tax them so much, they wouldn't outsource their jobs. Ron Paul doesn't want to tax anybody. Your argument is flawed.

Drugs are bad, no one is disputing that. I've never done drugs. Yet, I'm for legalizing them. The drug war is a useless war that's wasting billions of dollars. Gangs wouldn't be in control of drugs, non-violent offenders could return to their families. Crime would go down, because most crimes are drug related. Drug use would go down. Portugal's drug use is down since decriminalizing them. I fail to see how any of this is bad.

What is wrong with doing what you want so long as it doesn't hurt anyone else? You'd rather have a society that says "You can do what you want, so long as it fits with my idea of what you can do."?

Benjamin Franklin said, those that would sacrifice liberty for security, deserve neither and will lose both.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIaqmF5IXV4
Posted March 12, 2012
That was an amusing ad.

Man I wish Australian politics weren't so damn boring.
Post edited March 12, 2012 by PMIK
Posted March 12, 2012
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stonebro: And I'm basing that off of this ad.

Mostly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKfuS6gfxPY
I don't like Ron Paul. But for other reasons. This ad is awesome. And he gets some kudos from me for being the only GOP candidate to not bomb Iran.


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PMIK: That was an amusing ad.

Man I wish Australian politics weren't so damn boring.
Are you kidding me ?
Post edited March 12, 2012 by SimonG
Posted March 12, 2012
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morecowbell24: They say no one could have predicted the housing crisis, Ron Paul predicted it. For 30 years he's been consistent and has predicted crises.
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bevinator: First of all, the housing crisis was no secret. Everyone knew the bubble was going to burst, and burst hard. There were legions of economists warning about that for years ahead of time.

Secondly, him correctly predicting crises probably just means that he's an alarmist and sees crises everywhere. However, it may be <tinfoilhat> that the reason he can predict them so well is because he CAUSED THEM! </tinfoilhat>
I was referring to the media's coverage of the situation. I don't recall much media coverage saying "It was predictable" I recall stuff like "No one could have seen this coming," "How did this happen" "Who could have predicted it".

I don't see how your alarmist argument makes sense. I don't know how many things he's predicted, but none as many as my statement probably alluded to. What's also important is that he takes note of crises, and doesn't disregard them if something similar is happening again. He looks at the roots of problems rather than what the problem has become. I don't know if he's been wrong before, I've only recently discovered him.


I think Doug Wead said, "If they knew it was gonna happen then why didn't they tell us? If they didn't know, then why did we elect them?"
Posted March 12, 2012
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PMIK: That was an amusing ad.

Man I wish Australian politics weren't so damn boring.
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SimonG: Are you kidding me ?
What? I can't believe I missed the invasion of New Zealand. It was probably over before it started.
Posted March 12, 2012
As others have said, his foreign policy ideas, which are touted again and again, are interesting and worth talking about. I find it easy to agree with him.

His positions on many domestic issues, however, which I rarely hear in sound bites, are pretty disagreeable (to me) (mostly environmental issues spring to mind, some medical and government-funded reasearch a bit disturbing).
Posted March 12, 2012
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Titanium: They spoiled the ending of the third world war. Or as I like to call it "How the [beep] could the Chinese loose in Operation Anchorage?"
Hey now.. us Alaskan's are BAMF (except Palin)

Plus... I'd be willing to bet the only country that would actually like Alaska (once they took it over)has got to be Russia..
Posted March 12, 2012
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bevinator: Secondly, him correctly predicting crises probably just means that he's an alarmist and sees crises everywhere.
The correct term would be realist.
Posted March 12, 2012
Ron Paul is batshit insane. Some of his ideas are good, and unlike most politicians he actually seems to believe some of them. This makes him somewhat unique and probably very dangerous where those ideas just turn out to be terrible, because he truly believes them.

The ad is predictable but accurate, hooray for the ad.

Ron Paul as president would probably be worse than the rest of them. I'd actually vote for him if he had a chance of getting elected and enacting his policies, on the sole condition that the libertarian "free-marketers" promise that when those policies royally fuck us over that they will return to earth and try and help us formulate sane policies that actually help everyone, protect us from bad shit, and keep assholes from raping and exploiting irreplaceable resources for their own benefit (said resources belong to the people in the US).

EDIT: Oh yeah, he also is probably a bigot. At the very least he promotes the individual state's rights to be bigoted and turn back the clock on all kinds of steps we've made on equality over the last 100 years.
Post edited March 12, 2012 by orcishgamer
Posted March 12, 2012
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GothikOrk: It doesn't matter who the president is. The president is a figurehead designed to hide the real seats of power in the government. If Ron Paul were elected, you'd see a very different president in office than he wants you to believe. The Obama that ran for office, and the Obama we have now are two different people imo.

I wouldn't be surprised if when a politician becomes President, they get taken into a back room, told how things really are, and told what they have to do not to end up like Lincoln or JFK.
If that's the case nobody would bother running for a second term.
Posted March 12, 2012
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GothikOrk: It doesn't matter who the president is.
His foreign policy bothers me. GitMo bothers me.

That being said, the Obama administration has passed a lot of legislation that I would not have expected under McCain.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_Barack_Obama#Major_legislation

EDIT: Consider, for example, the repeal of DADT.
Post edited March 12, 2012 by strixo
Posted March 12, 2012
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Navagon: Thing is that Ron Paul wants as little to do with other countries as possible. It's not just Afghanistan. It's not that which makes him an isolationist. He wants the US out of the UN too. That makes him an isolationist. The US could not survive with those politics given how reliant it is on other countries.
I disagree, we still produce more than enough food and we do still have a manufacturing sector that can handle the needs of domestic production for most things we really need.

The problem is going to be going essentially cold turkey off oil and that we aren't particularly well blessed for rare earth metals.

That being said, the man is extremely dangerous and anathema to what it is to be American. And pretty much just appeals to people that have no clue about national and/or international politics.
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orcishgamer: EDIT: Oh yeah, he also is probably a bigot. At the very least he promotes the individual state's rights to be bigoted and turn back the clock on all kinds of steps we've made on equality over the last 100 years.
He is almost certainly a bigot. Despite what his defenders say, it doesn't matter whether he wrote the articles himself, auhtorized them to be published in his paper or people published them because they thought he wanted them published, none of those is particularly indicative of somebody that isn't a bigot.

Sure, it could be wrong, but I have a hard time buying it.
Post edited March 12, 2012 by hedwards
Posted March 12, 2012
I would vote for him if there was any chance of him winning. We could use even one term of fiscal responsibility and a few plugs pulled on war efforts. The next president (Dem or Rep) would be in a tizzy to restore the status quo. Its not like congress is going to magically pass legislation killing welfare because a nutjob (he is) tells them to. He could do some good and his harm would be mitigated by the rest of the government.
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