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langurmonkey: It may be easy for you to just change your behaviour because you don't believe in what I believe in. That we should all be ourselves no matter the responses we get.
And just what is "being yourself"? Who is that person that you feel the need to be? You're the one who gets to decide who that person is. If you're not happy with the results of who that person is then you should consider making some changes to him. If you are happy with the results then what is there to complain about?
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langurmonkey: Well then you are a very kind person,
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Krypsyn: Shh! It's a secret! ;)

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langurmonkey: considering you probably find me insanely abrasive
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Krypsyn: Actually, I don't. I think you are probably a just a guy who has gotten fed up with the situation. I used to work phones for a Congressman; believe me when I tell you I have heard a lot worse. :)

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langurmonkey: and that my philosophy is the opposite of yours.
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Krypsyn: It isn't really. I do see your point, and under certain circumstance I even agree with it. There are times when one must be blunt to get people's attention. There are some people that see politeness as a sign of weakness, so a person must stand up for them self. In other circumstances, a form of 'tough love' might be required to get through to a friend or loved one.

My only point was that most of the time being abrasive and/or impolite is a hindrance. Especially when one is expressing a minority viewpoint among strangers. The thrust of the argument doesn't need to be changed at all, just the way it is presented. It is just the conclusion I have come to in my years working for a politician and working in sales. YMMV, of course.
Yes, being abrasive and impolite to people is a huge hindrance but people should stay loyal to who they are inside, no matter what. That is what I believe. You can make life a lot easier by not stepping on toes but is that the right way to live? Not in my eyes. I believe people shouldn't cater to others if it means they have to become a different person. That is like telling your true self "Fuck you, I hate you". I have too much respect for myself and love for myself to not be myself. Of course, I believe people should conform when in the military(because it is your duty as a soldier to conform) or at work(because your employer is paying you to conform) or when someone has a gun to your head(because nobody wants to die). But outside of work, the military in a safe place, I think people should be themselves even if that means I personally will find them extremely annoying. I also believe when you are being yourself, you are being honest and open with everyone around you. That is why, people should appreciate people being themselves even if they find some of such people extremely abrasive.
Post edited January 10, 2013 by langurmonkey
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DarrkPhoenix: Here's an important lesson in life- you have no control over how other people choose to respond to you. What you do have control over is what you give other people to respond to. If you don't have any problem with the way people are responding to your current behavior then feel free to continue it. If you do have a problem with the way people are responding (which certainly seems to be the case) then the only way to change this is to change your own behavior. Basically your options are to continue with your current behavior and be unhappy with the results, or take a good look at yourself and try to engage in a bit of self-improvement. I'd personally recommend the latter option, but that's just me.
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langurmonkey: It may be easy for you to just change your behaviour because you don't believe in what I believe in. That we should all be ourselves no matter the responses we get. Like staying loyal to a King, even if it means, you will end up stabbed 1000 times by an enemy army attacking your king's castle. I just think it would be nice if the down rep bullying stopped. Just like it would be nice if I had a better gaming PC.
"I'm willing to be myself no matter what the cost, even if it means being stabbed 1000 times!"

"I hate being downrepped for being myself!"

Come on dude, this thread has been full of you coming off like a bit of a hypocrite on this, most people have tried to be constructive and nice, but now you really are acting like a wuss. Grow a spine. You claim you value your convictions over almost anything else, so have some god damned convictions!

As an aside: You say you like who you are, but you're sure as fuck do not act like you do.

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langurmonkey: It may be easy for you to just change your behaviour because you don't believe in what I believe in. That we should all be ourselves no matter the responses we get.
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DarrkPhoenix: And just what is "being yourself"? Who is that person that you feel the need to be? You're the one who gets to decide who that person is. If you're not happy with the results of who that person is then you should consider making some changes to him. If you are happy with the results then what is there to complain about?
You should listen to Darkk, he still wants to be constructive and has good advice.

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langurmonkey: That is why, people should appreciate people being themselves even if they find some of such people extremely abrasive.
This is where you're wrong, no one has any obligation to accept a plate of shit from you or anyone else just because you like serving it up to them. I mean seriously, if their "true self" demands they give you a punch right in the nose for being your "true self", is that okay with you?
Post edited January 10, 2013 by orcishgamer
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langurmonkey: Yes, being abrasive and impolite to people is a huge hindrance but people should stay loyal to who they are inside, no matter what.
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I believe people shouldn't cater to others if it means they have to become a different person. That is like telling your true self "Fuck you, I hate you".
I am all for being true to yourself and not compromising your beliefs. I just don't understand why being polite somehow undermines the "true you". How is stating an opinion politely rather than bluntly/abrasively changing you? Or, do you just take pride in being abrasive and daring people to (dis)like you?

Maybe I am missing your point, so please correct me if I am wrong. It seems to me that you are saying that you think a person should be allowed to be a jerk, and then other people should just put up with it because that is who that person really is? That just isn't the way the world works. For obvious reasons, people tend to dislike and ostracize people whom they feel act in a distasteful manner.

Seriously, I just don't understand your view here.
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orcishgamer: As an aside: You say you like who you are, but you're sure as fuck do not act like you do.
I have been loathe to say it, but I tend to agree. More and more this thread is resembling a pity party more than anything else.

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Wait, I take that back. I suppose that it how the thread started too.

Anyway, I wish langurmonkey all the best. We all go through rough times, and it seems like he might be going through one currently. I hope everything works out for him going forward.
Post edited January 10, 2013 by Krypsyn
The more I read this thread the more I cannot help but think about this part of the George Carlin bit on "rights":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWiBt-pqp0E#t=8m32
Post edited January 10, 2013 by orcishgamer
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orcishgamer: The more I read this thread the more I cannot help but think about this part of the George Carlin bit on "rights":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWiBt-pqp0E#t=8m32
Yes, yes, yes!
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langurmonkey: It may be easy for you to just change your behaviour because you don't believe in what I believe in. That we should all be ourselves no matter the responses we get. Like staying loyal to a King, even if it means, you will end up stabbed 1000 times by an enemy army attacking your king's castle. I just think it would be nice if the down rep bullying stopped. Just like it would be nice if I had a better gaming PC.
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orcishgamer: "I'm willing to be myself no matter what the cost, even if it means being stabbed 1000 times!"

"I hate being downrepped for being myself!"

Come on dude, this thread has been full of you coming off like a bit of a hypocrite on this, most people have tried to be constructive and nice, but now you really are acting like a wuss. Grow a spine. You claim you value your convictions over almost anything else, so have some god damned convictions!

As an aside: You say you like who you are, but you're sure as fuck do not act like you do.

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DarrkPhoenix: And just what is "being yourself"? Who is that person that you feel the need to be? You're the one who gets to decide who that person is. If you're not happy with the results of who that person is then you should consider making some changes to him. If you are happy with the results then what is there to complain about?
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orcishgamer: You should listen to Darkk, he still wants to be constructive and has good advice.

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langurmonkey: That is why, people should appreciate people being themselves even if they find some of such people extremely abrasive.
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orcishgamer: This is where you're wrong, no one has any obligation to accept a plate of shit from you or anyone else just because you like serving it up to them. I mean seriously, if their "true self" demands they give you a punch right in the nose for being your "true self", is that okay with you?
How am I acting like a wuss? Grow a spine? I don't understand. This thread is not a people are being mean to me thread so I'm running away thread. It is originally, a people don't like me thread so no point of sharing my thoughts here, thread because I do not enjoy having to constantly defend myself like I'm a German soldier at the Eastern Front after every fucking post. It is unpleasant and changing who I am is not an option. You are starting you act like a troll or you are smoking something. If someone's "true self" demands they give me a punch in the nose for being my "true self", I'm okay with that too but of course, I'm going to defend myself. I'm not going to tell him, he is wrong, he is a wuss, he is a drama queen, he needs to change, he's a dick etc.
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orcishgamer: As an aside: You say you like who you are, but you're sure as fuck do not act like you do.
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Krypsyn: I have been loathe to say it, but I tend to agree. More and more this thread is resembling a pity party more than anything else.

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Wait, I take that back. I suppose that it how the thread started too.

Anyway, I wish langurmonkey all the best. We all go through rough times, and it seems like he might be going through one currently. I hope everything works out for him going forward.
Of course, it is starting to resemble a pity party because people are constantly forcing me to explain myself...If people would shut the fuck up already and stop talking shit like calling me a wuss or a drama queen out of their assholes, then I'd shut the fuck up too.
Post edited January 10, 2013 by langurmonkey
well if people downrep you here too then at least there are options ;)



(jk. but it looks like they didn't so solved yes?)
Post edited January 10, 2013 by pseudonarne
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langurmonkey: How am I acting like a wuss?
I believe I just explained it, by saying you value your rugged individualism no matter what the cost while claiming that downrepping is some horrible form of bullying. The latter act gives the lie to the former, it's pretty simple.

If you think it's okay for someone's true self to punch you in the nose for you being your true self, I guess you'll have to accept people downrepping you as an expression of their true selves. Make sense, or will you obstinately back peddle on this too, or pretend not to get it?
Post edited January 10, 2013 by orcishgamer
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langurmonkey: I think people should be themselves even if that means I personally will find them extremely annoying. I also believe when you are being yourself, you are being honest and open with everyone around you. That is why, people should appreciate people being themselves even if they find some of such people extremely abrasive.
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langurmonkey: Of course, it is starting to resemble a pity party because people are constantly forcing me to explain myself...If people would shut the fuck up already and stop talking shit like calling me a wuss or a drama queen out of their assholes, then I'd shut the fuck up too.
It's funny, you don't really seem to appreciate other people being themselves. Maybe only you have the right to be yourself, and everyone else should conform to that?
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langurmonkey: How am I acting like a wuss?
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orcishgamer: I believe I just explained it, by saying you value your rugged individualism no matter what the cost while claiming that downrepping is some horrible form of bullying. The latter act gives the lie to the former, it's pretty simple.

If you think it's okay for someone's true self to punch you in the nose for you being your true self, I guess you'll have to accept people downrepping you as an expression of their true selves. Make sense, or will you obstinately back peddle on this too, or pretend not to get it?
Down reping is a horrible form of bullying here at GOG general discussion. And I think people shouldn't be bullied for being themselves. But people who bully people for being themselves are being themselves, yes. But I think bullying is a behaviour so horrible that I do wish to see it gone from this Earth even if it means, some people wont be allowed to be themselves. Oh well. And as you can see, I'm paying the cost for me being me. I really don't understand you. Your brain is going from A B C to G, just so you can attack me as a some spineless wuss.
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langurmonkey: Of course, it is starting to resemble a pity party because people are constantly forcing me to explain myself...If people would shut the fuck up already and stop talking shit like calling me a wuss or a drama queen out of their assholes, then I'd shut the fuck up too.
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Wishbone: It's funny, you don't really seem to appreciate other people being themselves. Maybe only you have the right to be yourself, and everyone else should conform to that?
You are very observant.
Post edited January 10, 2013 by langurmonkey
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langurmonkey: Down reping is a horrible form of bullying here at GOG general discussion. And I think people shouldn't be bullied for being themselves. But people who bully people for being themselves are being themselves, yes. But I think bullying is a behaviour so horrible that I do wish to see it gone from this Earth even if it means, some people wont be allowed to be themselves. Oh well. And as you can see, I'm paying the cost for me being me. I really don't understand you. Your brain is going from A B C to G.
Repeat after me: "My beliefs are inconsistent."

"Only my individualism truly matters."

"I would force people to not be themselves, but demand that they let me be myself."

"I am a tough, individualist that will be myself no matter what, but please don't hurt my feelings!"

If you don't like any of those statements, that is indeed what you've communicated to almost everyone here. Was that your intention?
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langurmonkey: This thread is not a people are being mean to me thread so I'm running away thread. It is originally, a people don't like me thread so no point of sharing my thoughts here
If you don't think you're getting anything positive out of sharing your thoughts here then all you needed to do was stop sharing your thoughts here. Lots of people make that decision all the time- no need to make a thread announcing it to everyone. Which leads me to believe that either you're lying to us about why you created this thread, or more likely you're deceiving yourself about why you made it. If you simply find all of this enjoyable then go ahead and keep at it, but if it's a case where you're continuing to engage in all of this despite it making you annoyed and unhappy then that's usually a sign that it's time to step back and engage in a bit of introspection to try to figure out what's actually going on in your mind.
I dunno man. I know this type of thing has been said a lot of times before, but
I'm getting a definite GameRager vibe. It's not just the whole rep thing, but I remember GR talking about being true to himself and being an asshole a longtime ago.