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I have no biases towards any platform, I just like playing games. My preferred type of games are ones that you need to do a lot of thinking and more often than not, are found on the PC. The biggest thing I can't stand about the PC gaming community is the idea that you NEED to mod your game and that a game should be moddable. I know a lot of you are going to hate me for saying this but I do not like mods. I bought Skyrim on Steam recently and I have been enjoying it; when I mentioned on a forum that I have not downloaded any mods, every single "PC Gamer" reacted like I have just committed some kind of heresy. REALLY? I can see the appeal of mods, but I the whole idea that a game is unplayable without them is just sad. I'm completely against using mods; for reasons to long to list, I'll just list my top three. It takes away what little artistic merit games have, it ruins the immersion of a game and worst of all, it gives developers excuses to release unfinished games (Stalker) and poor PC ports (Dark Souls) perfectly knowing that the community will just "fix it". Counter Strike, Day Z and Team Fortress are not mods in my definition since they are trying to be their own games and are just using the game engine as a jump off point (Not saying I would download them)

Mod if you wish but do not bully other PC players into forcing them to mod a game or boycott a game just because there are no mod tools. MODDING IS A BONUS FEATURE, NOT A RIGHT! And please, stop acting like modding is the only thing that defines PC gaming from others.

Edit: I miss worded the last statement - Developers are not obligated to give you modtools/official mod support. Some of you thought I meant devs would take legal action if you modded.
Post edited February 08, 2014 by TaiPhoon
I was about to agree with you (I love modding and do a ton of it) and allow you your opinion until you said this:
"MODDING IS ... NOT A RIGHT"

Actually, yes it is. The software I've paid for and bought is mine to do with it as I please, including making modifications to it.
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Post edited February 07, 2014 by tinyE
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mqstout: I was about to agree with you (I love modding and do a ton of it) and allow you your opinion until you said this:
"MODDING IS ... NOT A RIGHT"

Actually, yes it is. The software I've paid for and bought is mine to do with it as I please, including making modifications to it.
Not internally. If you read the EULA, in most cases you own the "license" of the game. It's up to the developers if they allow you to mod the game; and sometimes not even the developer owns the actual software, for example if they license a game engine or middle ware like havok physics.
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TaiPhoon: Not internally. If you read the EULA, in most cases you own the "license" of the game. It's up to the developers if they allow you to mod the game; and sometimes not even the developer owns the actual software, for example if they license a game engine or middle ware like havok physics.
While the companies involved certainly follow this line of reasoning it remains to be seen if anyone else does. An End User License Agreement could say anything- that doesn't necessarily make it legal binding, especially when you factor in that you can't even read the thing until you are installing the software and sometimes not even then.

This is of course a mute point in most cases as people who make modifications to games aren't usual the ones hauled into court or sued. There are any number of examples of games which are not moddable in the traditional sense and have still been modded- Minecraft jumps to mind as the most obvious example.

- Ryan Paul Fialcowitz
Since games don't come pre-installed with mods unless it's for solving compatibility problems I don't really see why this is a problem.
And if it is for modders making fixes for recent games because the devs/publishers didn't do it themselves I think the hategun is directed at the wrong party.
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Without mods, many of these games on GOG wouldn't work.
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This is a pretty dumb thing to hate.
Guessing you probably won't be interested in this thread then. LOL Almost like we have competing threads started within a few minutes of each other. Pure coincidence, I'm sure.
Edit: Bah, off day. My apologies, no need to take it out on random strangers.
Post edited February 07, 2014 by Melhelix
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Strijkbout: Since games don't come pre-installed with mods unless it's for solving compatibility problems I don't really see why this is a problem.
And if it is for modders making fixes for recent games because the devs/publishers didn't do it themselves I think the hategun is directed at the wrong party.
My problem is a large portion of the PC gaming community bully people into installing mods. The Skyrim and Half-life fan base are prime examples of this. And others claim that mods are the soul divine spark that makes PC gaming what it is (which is not). TL;DR, modding is a bonus feature (like a soundtrack) not a necessity.
As for unofficial compatibility patches for recent games, it reinforces developers to do a half ass job, knowing that the community will just fix it, instead of releasing a finished product. On the GOG mod page for Stalker "improving" is a very subjective opinion.
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Strijkbout: Since games don't come pre-installed with mods unless it's for solving compatibility problems I don't really see why this is a problem.
And if it is for modders making fixes for recent games because the devs/publishers didn't do it themselves I think the hategun is directed at the wrong party.
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TaiPhoon: My problem is a large portion of the PC gaming community bully people into installing mods. The Skyrim and Half-life fan base are prime examples of this. And others claim that mods are the soul divine spark that makes PC gaming what it is (which is not). TL;DR, modding is a bonus feature (like a soundtrack) not a necessity.
As for unofficial compatibility patches for recent games, it reinforces developers to do a half ass job, knowing that the community will just fix it, instead of releasing a finished product. On the GOG mod page for Stalker "improving" is a very subjective opinion.
How do you get "bullied" into installing a mod? Hell if you wanted to all you have to do is say "I don't want to" or lie and say you did it.
Actually serious question. Why do you hate modders? I mean okay, you really dislike mods. Find they detract from the game and/or cause the deterioration and ruination of the entire pc gaming industry. Fair enough. But you really have a deep, never-ending, well of hatred in your soul for the people who love a game so much they try and fix it, improve it, contribute to the life-span of it? Really?

Edit: I am referring to the title of this thread, by the way.
Post edited February 07, 2014 by Melhelix
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TaiPhoon: My problem is a large portion of the PC gaming community bully people into installing mods. The Skyrim and Half-life fan base are prime examples of this. And others claim that mods are the soul divine spark that makes PC gaming what it is (which is not). TL;DR, modding is a bonus feature (like a soundtrack) not a necessity.
As for unofficial compatibility patches for recent games, it reinforces developers to do a half ass job, knowing that the community will just fix it, instead of releasing a finished product. On the GOG mod page for Stalker "improving" is a very subjective opinion.
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pimpmonkey2382: How do you get "bullied" into installing a mod? Hell if you wanted to all you have to do is say "I don't want to" or lie and say you did it.
I did say I did not want to and I never installed a mod. MY POINT is that some people don't want to install mods and not get shit from the community for not and would like developers to not release unfinished games that require community mods; is a finished game a little to much for ask for?
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pimpmonkey2382: How do you get "bullied" into installing a mod? Hell if you wanted to all you have to do is say "I don't want to" or lie and say you did it.
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TaiPhoon: I did say I did not want to and I never installed a mod. MY POINT is that some people don't want to install mods and not get shit from the community for not and would like developers to not release unfinished games that require community mods; is a finished game a little to much for ask for?
I wouldn't want to be in a community that judges you on mods. But that's just me.