I think, therefore I am (a rape supporter)

I don't think, therefore this clause has not happened.

It's still discriminatory in nature. At very least men ought to be getting something for having to put up with that risk. Even being a conscientious objector only gets you away from the front lines, it doesn't get you out of it.

The point is that if women want all the rights that come with citizenship then they damned well be willing to put up with all the inconveniences as well. At this point in history there's absolutely no excuse for letting them off completely.

When women are willing to deal with dissenting opinions on the matter as the norm then it won't be necessary. Right now it's a definite minority that's willing to acknowledge just how good women have it comparatively speaking. And it's definitely normal as far as I can tell for them to shout down anybody that points out just how well they're doing comparatively speaking.

EDIT: Also when they stop filing sexual harassment lawsuits when called on it we can consider whether or not it's necessary protection.

I'm not sure what the US has to do with that. Expecting to be treated with respect ought not to have anything to do with the economy.

They were the ones that started to agitate for equality, I can't blame them for it, I can however blame them for turning a deliberate blind eye to the advantages that they've had and the unwillingness to give them up.

Or Gothic, for that matter.

Because I'm pretty sure a 16 year old can choose to have sex, in most cases, that's why.

I did not realize we were talking about boys and girls of the exact age of 16 years.

The state of North Carolina agrees with you. Sixteen is the age of consent here.

The only reason I know this, is that there was a case involving a female teacher in her early twenties and a 16 or 17 year old boy. The boy wasn't her student, but he did attend the high school in which she taught, so it did garner a fair bit of attention. The teacher got fired for misconduct, and that was pretty much the end of it.

It's discriminatory no matter how you put it, men only, mixed, however. That's why I said that there are issues that men need to solve among themselves first. Armies are built on sick premises, and as you said many men can't handle it. I remember that movie "a few good men", and I can't understand why there isn't a huge movement against that (or is there?). Especially with this selective service-countries that had obligatory military terms more or less got rid of them, and you're doing the opposite. If you want to say that boys know they can't complain about it because it will be a joke...well that's something that was created and imposed to you by your fellow men. Always has been.

I do get your point, it is logical. And I would personally send those extremist women to first lines. They're just wasting precious oxygen :P (guess this would make me get all sorts of hate mails calling me misogynist? haha) I am ignorant of all the issues and rights involved (I said what I care about) and the USA altogether seems like another planet to me, but let me put it this way as far as my personal opinion goes...We live in the 21st century, the world is completely globalized, everyone can travel everywhere, everyone can communicate with everyone, and at this point people can't solve problems in a reasonable manner without resorting to wars? I don't know how many of these issues are caused by men so I won't blame them (however I will point out that the middle east and asia are male governed and women are depending on the country either quite inferior or a joke), but as I said I see wars as a male thing, men invented them, men are largely fascinated by them (blood, gore, weapons, FPS games anyone? the witcher?) and as a female who's physically quite weak and small and with all the stereotypical female attitudes to violence, blood and gore I don't want to be forced to be dragged into that shit just because some boys like playing with guns and think it's so alpha or heroic or whatever. If you are forced to war because of traditional views, well be men, form a critical mass and do something about it :P (actually women should help with this too) And frankly I don't care how illogical or unreasonable this might be in male eyes, for me it isn't and I won't reason about it :PPP

I'm not disagreeing with you but this good depends on what aspects of life you consider to be more important, and in most cases the average person will notice more the injustices done to their sex/them. Just like people tend to think that their pain is always worse than someone else's. But yes I blame them too. They're exaggerating.

As far as I know European countries don't have such problems (my sister travels a lot and lives abroad). My country certainly doesn't, and we're actually considered primitive and uncivilized by the more developed european countries. A friend of mine spent 8 months in the usa and she said that your way of living is insanely unhealthy and stressful, lots of pressure, working your ass off to accumulate money and then not knowing how to enjoy it or life at all. Her friend who moved to the us and who has been living there for years has ceased to smile and laugh like she used to. I suspect that all that stress makes a lot of people vent in all the wrong ways - extremism, hate groups, mass hysteria etc. A stressful life is not unique to america, in europe the northern, richer countries lead a more stressful life than the southern ones. But still, there aren't such extreme problems. For some odd reason things in america are just insanely extreme. It probably has to do with the fact that there's a HUGE gap between the rich and the poor too. I don't know. Mind-boggling stuff.

oh I almost missed this one

yes, especially of this sort. but what i was referring to were issues such as some men dying because they can't handle the pressure, workload, training, whatever, or that all men are supposed to be able to handle it. it's largely about men's rights (which is something that women can and must help with) and especially attitudes among men (which they can't help with at all). Sadly I am aware that there will always be pricks and idiots who think that a man is not a man if he's physically weaker and can't handle it or whatever it is that goes in macho-type's heads.
The way I see it it's solved easily - don't force anyone and let them choose. Women who choose to do it won't mind if it's not possible for them to do some things like the ones mentioned because they will choose to do it while being aware of the constraints. Or you can allow them at their own risk. And men who can't do it won't do it. Simple as that.

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anyway well to be honest I haven't played them. the only thought that came to my mind when i first read the review of the witcher was "ah men..." XD i'd be lying if i said that the abundance of violence, sex content and the whole setting didn't turn me off and made me postpone playing it indefinitely (same for gothic). I just have so many other more interesting games to play. but as i said, the gaming industry is largely male and i can't blame them. i will try it someday because rpgs are my preferred genre (though I'm not SUCH a big fan of hack and slash ones) but chances are that unless i find the story really compelling and the world interesting to explore i'll probably drop it because from what i understand the battle system is clumsy and quests aren't that cool. it's pretty much like a single player MMO. however I am one of those cliche chicks who have low tolerance to too much blood and gore and sexual content that is there only to be there, as fanservice or to sell. i even found super meat boy to be too much for my taste as far as presentation goes, but i liked everything else enough to bear with it. those girls who play fps games and don't mind all these things are much more representative than me. actually i know girls who, if they actually played games, would play and love the witcher because it is as it is, and since it's fictional they wouldn't care, they would think it's hilarious.

boys, I'm not really a sociable person and I have to admit that talking/writing this much on the internet coupled with rl talking and sleeping issues i'm having atm is starting to take its toll on me x-x (meaning I seriously need to recharge in absolute solitude x_x) so i might not answer or i might need several days to answer ^^; sorry. well you probably don't give a shit anyways but i wanted to be polite :P

edit: actually this would be far better discussed over a coffee/juice at this point which is impossible. i am incapable of writing short ^^; so i think i'm pulling out ^^; (if that's the correct phrasal verb) yeah yeah shouldn't have started in the first place XD but i've learned a lot. so thanks for giving me some insights into the american society and male issues which i was clueless about.

I am a guy.

So supposingly I need to cut my balls off to not be a rape supporter. And the balls of others.

If you get near my balls, I'm screaming.

The sad thing is that by her standards and the standards of those who might hop on her bandwagon for temporary gain once in a while, even bringing her statements up for discussion, as this thread does, rather than immediately capitulating to them wholesale, would mark everyone in this thread as misogynistic.

This, to me, is as good a definition of hatred as many. It's when you can't even talk anymore, because it doesn't matter what you say. You are already condemned because of who you are or who you are thought to be.

It's an ugly situation that leads to people first being attacked and then attacked with redoubled vigor for responding to an attack. The only way to dodge abuse is to give tacit consent to it by saying nothing.

Which, unfortunately, most of us do. Men do not tend to back each other up, and know that we will rarely be backed up.

it was a rhetorical jab, I don't really care what she thinks about those games ... in fact I really don't care what she thinks about anything. She's prejudicial and discriminatory, shes also a weak little creature who makes extremist decelerations in order to gain attention.

the punchline to my comment about the Witcher was that by her standards the game is a rape simulator. it may not exactly be championing the abolition of gender rolls, but it's hardly the worst thing out there.

Gothic/Risen I do have to admit are quite chauvinistic, the women of the Witcher fill out that world as vibrent eathing, breathing, shitting, and (yes) fucking characters; in Gothic/Risen the developers treat women like trees, they only reason they include them at all is #1 to provide extended visual variety to the games NPCs but only after they have extensively fleshed out all other ways to to visually represent males characters (so basically as background filler) and #2 is because gritty fantasy products have to have whores, but their target audience would complain if they made all the whores male (however if you've ever seen how the art team from a Piranha bytes draws women you know that the difference is theoretical at best.)

I think the main problem is that she uses the wrong term. Had she used “misogynist” instead of “rapist” the outcry would have been far smaller. Not that this would be much more plausible but still ... she might just wanted to provoke with that.

Yeah, but that would have been more reaosnable, what we have here is angry name calling and a list of reasons why you to can be part of the insult.