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Kristian: Holding people to their word, how horrible of me!!
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keeveek: If you hold that you never said anything in your life that changed over time, you're the liar and hypocrite of the year.
This wasn't just anything he said, he was espousing the strongest principle he and his company have when it comes games distribution.

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Kristian: Does this mean you don't care about all the horrible effects this will have on DRM free gaming and muti-platform gaming? Because both you and I and everyone else is completely free to donate to those charties as is, we don't need a Humble Bundle for that. But if that is the case we are just going to have to disagree.
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DraculaMarth: Yeah, screw charity and keeping a company afloat. All I care about is the fact that IT DOESN'T HAVE LINUX AND ISN'T DRM-FREE. SOUND THE ALARM
Yes I do care about principles, yes I do care about cross-platform gaming and DRM-free gaming. I am sorry if that offends you but I and many others care deeply that this will seriously hurt those two things. Including hurt GOG in its pursuit of signing more publishers in particular their top three most wanted Microsoft, Take Two and Lucasarts.
Post edited November 30, 2012 by Kristian
Bought the bundle but I put most of the money to charity. I did give $0.01 to both THQ and Humble Bundle because, you know, that's how much they really deserve after this event. Don't ever change GOG.

Saw this on twitter...not sure what to think of it really.
"Average purchase of the THQ Bundle is $5.69? Can't imagine why PC gamers aren't considered an important market anymore ~_~ " -TotalBiscuit
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RayRay13000: Saw this on twitter...not sure what to think of it really.
"Average purchase of the THQ Bundle is $5.69? Can't imagine why PC gamers aren't considered an important market anymore ~_~ " -TotalBiscuit
Pretty ignorant for a number of reasons that have nothing to do with the DRM bullshit. For one thing these games have all been heavily discounted routinely for years and most people probably own them all or most of them.
Penny Arcade Report says, "The Humble THQ Bundle loses indie games, adds DRM, and is a step backward for the bundle model":

http://penny-arcade.com/report/editorial-article/the-humble-thq-bundle-loses-indie-games-adds-drm-and-is-a-step-backward-for

I totally agree with Infinite Ammo's twit: "The whole reason to get excited about Humble in the first place was that it was directly supporting developers". As it's also can be seen in the Penny Arcade report, this THQ bundle does not support developers. Unfortunately.
Post edited November 30, 2012 by Accatone
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Kristian: Holding people to their word, how horrible of me!!
People change. Opinions change. Principles change. It's as simple as that. If he said it a few months ago, you'd have a valid point there. But what I see is a single post on a discussion board - no actual public, official statement, just a post. He might have been exaggerating. He might have just been enthusiastic and silly.

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Kristian: Does this mean you don't care about all the horrible effects this will have on DRM free gaming and muti-platform gaming?
If Humble Indie Bundle 7 isn't DRM-free and multiplatform, then you've got a point there. If it is, your point is completely moot. The titles offered there aren't indie titles, they're pretty big AAA games, that are also very dependant on Windows platform. And you'd want a publisher that's trying to do his best to stay afloat to convert them? They could just announce bankrupcy right away. Games are sold DRM-free and games are sold with DRM. Games are sold multiplatform and games are sold platform-dependant. That's how it is, that's how it's always been and that's most probably how it always will be. Your wallet is your voting power - if you don't like it, don't buy it. But claiming how it's bad and horribly hurting DRM-free market is just silly.

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Kristian: Because both you and I and everyone else is completely free to donate to those charties as is, we don't need a Humble Bundle for that. But if that is the case we are just going to have to disagree.
Going by the default split, charities have gained about $700 000 by now. Do you sincerely believe that all those people that have indirectly donated to them by buying the bundle would do so even without it? Because I'm certain they would not. Also, I am certain that those charities need the money more than I need DRM-free games for my Linux Mint. I can live without games. Charities can't live without donations.
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Accatone: I totally agree with Infinite Ammo's twit: "The whole reason to get excited about Humble in the first place was that it was directly supporting developers". As it's also can be seen in the Penny Arcade report, this THQ bundle does not support developers. Unfortunately.
It supports a publisher that is going under. That's the point.
Post edited November 30, 2012 by Fenixp
I wonder if they will give a second bonus key with some older THQ games next week. HB usually does this with their normal HB bundles. The older THQ games key would be very nice indeed.
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Fenixp: It supports a publisher that is going under. That's the point.
Said publisher is probably going under for good reasons.
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grviper: Said publisher is probably going under for good reasons.
Most probably, yes. And this won't save them. Doesn't change the fact that the intent is good.
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Heretic777: I wonder if they will give a second bonus key with some older THQ games next week. HB usually does this with their normal HB bundles. The older THQ games key would be very nice indeed.
I hope this happens so we get more soundtracks, since that was the whole point of me getting it. I likely own all the games they would add.
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SirPrimalform: I don't think it's likely that everything Kristian says will come to pass, but I'm just saying you can't dance around singing about being right unless there's another DRM-free debut, like Jamestown.
fair enough, and I am willing to wait. But can I do a song and dance if it happens?
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Kristian: Holding people to their word, how horrible of me!!
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Fenixp: People change. Opinions change. Principles change. It's as simple as that. If he said it a few months ago, you'd have a valid point there. But what I see is a single post on a discussion board - no actual public, official statement, just a post. He might have been exaggerating. He might have just been enthusiastic and silly.

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Kristian: Does this mean you don't care about all the horrible effects this will have on DRM free gaming and muti-platform gaming?
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Fenixp: If Humble Indie Bundle 7 isn't DRM-free and multiplatform, then you've got a point there. If it is, your point is completely moot. The titles offered there aren't indie titles, they're pretty big AAA games, that are also very dependant on Windows platform. And you'd want a publisher that's trying to do his best to stay afloat to convert them? They could just announce bankrupcy right away. Games are sold DRM-free and games are sold with DRM. Games are sold multiplatform and games are sold platform-dependant. That's how it is, that's how it's always been and that's most probably how it always will be. Your wallet is your voting power - if you don't like it, don't buy it. But claiming how it's bad and horribly hurting DRM-free market is just silly.

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Kristian: Because both you and I and everyone else is completely free to donate to those charties as is, we don't need a Humble Bundle for that. But if that is the case we are just going to have to disagree.
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Fenixp: Going by the default split, charities have gained about $700 000 by now. Do you sincerely believe that all those people that have indirectly donated to them by buying the bundle would do so even without it? Because I'm certain they would not. Also, I am certain that those charities need the money more than I need DRM-free games for my Linux Mint. I can live without games. Charities can't live without donations.
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Accatone: I totally agree with Infinite Ammo's twit: "The whole reason to get excited about Humble in the first place was that it was directly supporting developers". As it's also can be seen in the Penny Arcade report, this THQ bundle does not support developers. Unfortunately.
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Fenixp: It supports a publisher that is going under. That's the point.
Publishers are greedy developer screwing entities that deserve to go under. Read up on how publishers routinely treat dev studios. They lie and they cheat for a living. Now there are of course exceptions to this but AFAIK THQ is not one.

"If Humble Indie Bundle 7 isn't DRM-free and multiplatform, then you've got a point there. If it is, your point is completely moot."

It is the Linux and DRM free debuts I care about, with the exceptions of particularly passionate cross-platform and DRM free developers NO more developers will debut their games as cross-platform and DRM free in future HIB's.
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Fenixp: It supports a publisher that is going under. That's the point.
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grviper: Said publisher is probably going under for good reasons.
Said reasons aren't lack of multi OS support or horrible DRM, however. The THQ woes go straight to management being ridiculous as to what to spend company money on. Therefore stating gamers shouldn't help them (the creators of all those games, for example) retain their jobs and be able to deliver new experiences is ludicrous.
I bet the extra games will be any of these ( if they add them to the bundle ) :

Frontlines : Fuel of War
Homefront
MX vs ATV Reflex
Supreme Commander Gold
Supreme Commander II
S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl
Titan Quest Gold

Don't expect any DoW game .
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SirPrimalform: I don't think it's likely that everything Kristian says will come to pass, but I'm just saying you can't dance around singing about being right unless there's another DRM-free debut, like Jamestown.
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amok: fair enough, and I am willing to wait. But can I do a song and dance if it happens?
Yes! Although I'm not feeling quite as doomy and gloomy about it as Kristian, I do think this has weakened HB bargaining power in terms of getting developers to remove their DRM. I do think they will convince further developers, but perhaps not as many as if they hadn't done this bundle. =(
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amok: fair enough, and I am willing to wait. But can I do a song and dance if it happens?
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SirPrimalform: Yes! Although I'm not feeling quite as doomy and gloomy about it as Kristian, I do think this has weakened HB bargaining power in terms of getting developers to remove their DRM. I do think they will convince further developers, but perhaps not as many as if they hadn't done this bundle. =(
Which is exactly my position. Mostly likely they will only "convince" thus who are already convinced. So this will hurt DRM free, cross-platform gaming.