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Posted November 30, 2012
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SirPrimalform: :P

I still see you making the HIB distinction as wrong, since Jeff Rosen said it's the opposite of what the humble bundle is about, not just the Humble Indie Bundles.
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SimonG: I consider their bigger fall from principle when they started selling books. Or music. It was about games dammit.

How dare they expand their brand!
In the case of ebooks and music, they were applying their core principles to other things. With this they're eroding their core principles from the very thing they started with. I don't see how you can compare the two to be honest.
Posted November 30, 2012
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StingingVelvet: My only point has been that it's a bummer to see a DRM free website start using DRM. If GOG did it I would be disappointed, HiB is no different. Whether you care or I care is irrelevant, DRM free has certain benefits that I wish to see available, especially for older games and indie games that have little to no need for client features.
Older, yes (hence why I buy them here) Indies? Damn, they need a client considering how often they are patched. And with MP indies I rather have the Steamworks net code than something they came up with.

Dungeons of Dreadmore is actually a fairly good example how Steam can improve upon an indie.

Also not every DRM is the same. Steam is made to be cracked very simple (I suspect the same marketing approach windows uses, using pirated copies as free advertising), therefore it really doesn't stop games from becoming available once Steam is gone.

The older Starforce stuff or the other disc checks, those were evil beyond comprehension. They were a lot harder to crack, and even if you still got the disc, those programs hardly ever get a new OS update.

Argh, even I digress again. Damn!
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SirPrimalform: In the case of ebooks and music, they were applying their core principles to other things. With this they're eroding their core principles from the very thing they started with. I don't see how you can compare the two to be honest.
See, for me it is the other way around. You just pick your core principles to your liking.
Post edited November 30, 2012 by SimonG
Posted November 30, 2012
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Dolantin: Sure, the hardware, built to break by default, the 360 sold like crazy too;
the game, meant to diminish consumers rights to a minimum, Diablo 3, sold like crazy too.
Why should we bother, that the brand, who told us it was 'humble' and 'DRM free' now tries to persuade the 3 remaining percent of people, who are not yet tied to Steam to turn to use Steam?
The brand is a lie. And what do you expect from the forum of the only refugium for these 3 % ?
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keeveek: Exactly. You can bitch and whine as much as you want, but it doesn't matter. At all.

This bundle is probably gonna be the most successful bundle ever. And this is all that countrs from THEIR perspective. Also, proving that most customers don't give a damn about DRM Free.

I'm pretty surprised you don't moan about "Why THQ didn't make Linux and Mac versions of their games for this bundle!!!!"
I'm only moaning about calling a Steam sale a 'humble bundle'.
It's a Steam sale in disguise- nothing else.
Posted November 30, 2012
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SirPrimalform: In the case of ebooks and music, they were applying their core principles to other things. With this they're eroding their core principles from the very thing they started with. I don't see how you can compare the two to be honest.
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SimonG: See, for me it is the other way around. You just pick your core principles to your liking.
I'm picking nothing, they're the ones who defined it as such: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/992948/drm-free.PNG

Find me a quote where he assures someone that selling things other than games is the opposite of what they're about and then I will accept you comparing the two.
Posted November 30, 2012
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SimonG: Older, yes (hence why I buy them here) Indies? Damn, they need a client considering how often they are patched. And with MP indies I rather have the Steamworks net code than something they came up with.

Dungeons of Dreadmore is actually a fairly good example how Steam can improve upon an indie.

Also not every DRM is the same. Steam is made to be cracked very simple (I suspect the same marketing approach windows uses, using pirated copies as free advertising), therefore it really doesn't stop games from becoming available once Steam is gone.

The older Starforce stuff or the other disc checks, those were evil beyond comprehension. They were a lot harder to crack, and even if you still got the disc, those programs hardly ever get a new OS update.

Argh, even I digress again. Damn!
I can agree with all of that. Especially multiplayer, anyone not using Steamworks for multiplayer today is being a massive idiot.

I treat GOG like an archive, completed DRM free copies of classics to backup and own "forever." I looked at indies on HiB in a similar way, but this bundle is different, and that's kind of "eh." It's far from the end of the world though. I don't really care that much to be honest and I'm not sure why I have spent so much time debating it.

I even upped my pledge to the average to get the Saint's Row soundtrack (again, I had all the games already). Not sure what to do with the Saint's Row 3 key. If anyone wants it PM me an explanation of why you can't get it yourself.
Posted November 30, 2012
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StingingVelvet: I can agree with all of that.
Man, I was just getting warm...
Posted November 30, 2012
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StingingVelvet: I can agree with all of that.
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SimonG: Man, I was just getting warm...
I could mention German history again if you want. That guy with the funny hat in all the Civ games seems like a cool dude.
Posted November 30, 2012
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SimonG: See, for me it is the other way around. You just pick your core principles to your liking.
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SirPrimalform: I'm picking nothing, they're the ones who defined it as such: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/992948/drm-free.PNG

Find me a quote where he assures someone that selling things other than games is the opposite of what they're about and then I will accept you comparing the two.
Indeed, I agree.

I also see that apparently my post about Linux debuts has escaped people's attention so I am quoting it here:
Here are some examples of what I am talking about, from the blog announcing Humble Indie Bundle 6:
All six of these great games are having their Linux debut right here with us!
(Source)

So there you have an entire bundle, where the Humble Bundle guys where able to get the games on to Linux.

and in the HIB3:
A brief description of the games:
- The retro-inspired music rhythm game BIT.TRIP BEAT from Gaijin Games, making its Android and Linux debut
- Renowned tower defense title Fieldrunners from Subatomic Studios, making its Linux debut
(Source)

That is what will stop happening, except for some indie devs that are passionate about those sorts of things. Humble Bundle will from now on be unable to convince developers sitting on the fence or even otherwise indifferent to do anything like that. They will say: "Why should we have to? We want the same treatment as THQ got".
Posted November 30, 2012
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SirPrimalform: I'm picking nothing, they're the ones who defined it as such: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/992948/drm-free.PNG

Find me a quote where he assures someone that selling things other than games is the opposite of what they're about and then I will accept you comparing the two.
I don't see why people bring that up. This discussion is about the humble indie bundle from two years ago. When there was only an indie bundle.

The brand has expanded since then. Major publisher bundles get different rules. And again, this isn't the first time a Steam only game is sold through the humble store.

If the Humble guys start selling indie bundles with Steam only, then you can all make your little dance, but until then, I don't see any issue.
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StingingVelvet: I could mention German history again if you want. That guy with the funny hat in all the Civ games seems like a cool dude.
Bismark? Yeah, he was pretty ballsy. The French might disagree, however....
Post edited November 30, 2012 by SimonG
Posted November 30, 2012
SimonG: Dude, he says that is the polar opposite of what they are for. You don't all of a sudden the the "polar opposite" of what you are about just because major publishers are invovled, GOG doesn't do that. Humble Bundle did NOT all of the sudden do the "polar opposite" of what they are about when they expanded to mobile games, movies, music and e-books. All those were DRM free.
Posted November 30, 2012
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SimonG: Bismark? Yeah, he was pretty ballsy. The French might disagree, however....
I like him in Civ because he always seems like he has no time for bullshit.
Posted November 30, 2012
You know what Smark means in Polish?

This!
http://wd6.photoblog.pl/np3/201204/3E/120927694/smarki-smark-najki-obrazek.jpg
Posted November 30, 2012
What makes this discussion even more ridiculous is that five out of the seven games have very strong MP parts, which makes making them DRM free downright impossible.

And even if they would sell chopped up versions of those games, people would complain about the "second rate treatment" of DRM free ....
Posted November 30, 2012
Has Hitler been mentioned yet?
Posted November 30, 2012
Of course you can have DRM free MP games. That is trivially possible.
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