As noted, you're incorrect about this. GOG offered The Witcher 2 DRM-free on day 1, the same day the DRMed retail version was made available.

So you see no difference between online activation of a single player game and connecting to a multiplayer server to play multiplayer?

wasnt there a cd key requirement for the gog version too ? i remember getting a cd key

So in your eyes democracy is bad?

The question many of us want to know is simple:

Is DRM free something that helps you sell games.

Not if it is good. Not if it is bad. Not if it is worshipping the devil while having anal goat sex. Just if it is something that sells more games. Nothing else.

And this question, which has been debated to death on this forum is exactly what is important and many wan't to know.

And that question needs to beanswered by popular opinion.




And don't lecture me on German history.

Yes, and you appear to have missed my subsequent reply: http://www.gog.com/forum/general/humble_thq_bundle_is_live/post589

I posted that 10 minutes before you posted this but you missed it somehow.

Yeah, I failed at reading. Sorry about that.

Sure, the hardware, built to break by default, the 360 sold like crazy too;
the game, meant to diminish consumers rights to a minimum, Diablo 3, sold like crazy too.
Why should we bother, that the brand, who told us it was 'humble' and 'DRM free' now tries to persuade the 3 remaining percent of people, who are not yet tied to Steam to turn to use Steam?
The brand is a lie. And what do you expect from the forum of the only refugium for these 3 % ?

How about actually getting what I argue right for once? I already corrected you on the bolded bit.

I don't think it's likely that everything Kristian says will come to pass, but I'm just saying you can't dance around singing about being right unless there's another DRM-free debut, like Jamestown.

I'm sure they'd do cross platform Humble Mobile Bundles if Apple would allow it, but it's a closed platform. No DRM-free games for you.

Pure straight-up majority rule democracy? Yes. It's why we have a representative republic and a Supreme Court that checks everything over.

The question of whether this bundle is SUCCESSFUL is answered this way, yes. The question of whether it is ethically right is another matter entirely that is not solved by majority rule. Again, I am NOT saying this is a case where anything is morally wrong. I am simply saying it being successful proves nothing and no one should act like it does.

My personal opinion is that it's a bummer a DRM free website changed into a Steam sale website, but I'm not crying about it. I prefer DRM free but I accept DRM as beneficial in many aspects and as something consumers accept. I do not boycott anything other than persistent online server-side hosting for singleplayer.

You and I do not disagree at the core, our beliefs are the same on DRM for the most part and about how Steam is needed for modern gaming. You just seem to like to mock the idea of DRM free being beneficial or having merit, which I disagree with.

Not many better examples exist for majority rule being a stupid barometer for morality. I also included my own country's horrible past act of slavery. Don't take it personally.

:P

I still see you making the HIB distinction as wrong, since Jeff Rosen said it's the opposite of what the humble bundle is about, not just the Humble Indie Bundles.

Nobody is talking about that question. Well, at least not me. You are the one who's constantly bringing it in.

And personally, from a legal and moral standpoint. I don't consider DRM free better for games. Quite the opposite. A smart and well done DRM has many benefits (regional pricing for low average income areas, to name just one). But that is a whole different issue we are not discussing here.

So far, the discussion is mainly about popularity of the "DRM free" marketing brand. At least for me.
I consider their bigger fall from principle when they started selling books. Or music. It was about games dammit.

How dare they expand their brand!

If that's the topic then you and I are in 100% agreement and this whole thing is stupid.

My only point has been that it's a bummer to see a DRM free website start using DRM. If GOG did it I would be disappointed, HiB is no different. Whether you care or I care is irrelevant, DRM free has certain benefits that I wish to see available, especially for older games and indie games that have little to no need for client features.

Here are some examples of what I am talking about, from the blog announcing Humble Indie Bundle 6: (Source)

So there you have an entire bundle, where the Humble Bundle guys where able to get the games on to Linux.

and in the HIB3: (Source)

That is what will stop happening, except for some indie devs that are passionate about those sorts of things. Humble Bundle will from now on be unable to convince developers sitting on the fence or even otherwise indifferent to do anything like that. They will say: "Why should we have to? We want the same treatment as THQ got".