Don;t worry/ I understood perfectly that you want to pirate them, your decision. Only pointing out that the charity you would not be contributing to this time would not be EEF, but Red Cross... and child's play off course.

1028 AD -- King Cnut the Great commands the tide not to come in
2012 AD -- Kodeen asks a bunch of gamers to keep things in perspective

Meh, is there a reason why HB still doesn't allow direct cc payment? Google/Amazon require an account, and no way in hell I'm using Paypal.

It lasted all of about a week I think because the system had problems and was interfering with the game, so they had to take it out. Yeah you got credit which allowed you to use the money you otherwise would have saved to buy 2 full price games on GOG, woohoo. Best they could do no doubt but it's still regional pricing. From what I remember I think that's still the case, though only 1 game credit now. But it's hard to tell since I own the game so I can't see prices anymore.

And yeah, the CD-key for multiplayer thing is a form of DRM that's being tolerated apparently. You only get one, because you are only buying a single license. That was the explanation. That is DRM, it's managing the way the game is used because it limits you to only being online with one copy at a time. It's a really minor one, not even close to something like Steam which I already consider low DRM, but to say it's not DRM is just misleading.

Well, technically, if they require steam for multiplayer it's ok for me. It's the singleplayer that should be without keys/steam.

And the reason is that in some games it's not possible or hard to make multiplayer without keys or steam, because those games base on accounts, which you need to be logged. Via key or via steam, but that's not DRM in my world.

To play singleplayer with key or Steam, that's what is the real problem.

Paypal allows direct use of a CC without a paypal account, but has a limit on how many times you can do that with the same e-mail.

If in both cases the single-player part does not require any online activation at least after the initial download, then I'd personally consider them similar cases.

I presume that's what that "DRM-free games on Steam" list is all about, ie. listing games where the _single-player_ part can be considered free of any DRM (at least after some workarounds). I presume most, if not all, the games on that list still require Steam for online multiplayer, yet the author of the list calls them DRM-free.

http://www.gog.com/forum/general/list_of_drmfree_games_on_steam/page1

Actually I ment I should get DRM free versions of the games from 'other' sources and directly donate to EFF and not use HB at all. I would never donate to organisations like American Red Cross (why not international red cross?) nor almost exlusivly American Child's Play charity (just see where their supported hospitals are). EFF at least is international organisation.

DRM-free is obviously open to a lot of personal interpretation, since people, or sometimes even developers toss it around in situations where even some of the more tolerant of us would say that's still DRM.

I know, but frankly, I've heard too many horror stories about Paypal to even consider them. That, and I really don't like the idea of giving my billing info to a 3rd party company.

I see some of the "tolerant ones" doing it on GOG just trying to trol... argue that:

"See? GOG is no better than Steam or Origin, because some GOG games have features that could be considered a form of DRM in the strictest form of the term, like a keyword check from a PDF manual in some DOS games."

They are just trying to stir arguments in the forum, that's all.

I'm glad that I used a VPN to redeem the first code...

DRM-free is DRM-free. When arguing that, then a CD-key to limit online ability is just as much DRM, and it's disingenuous to just let that slip because they happen to be the most DRM-free place out there. It's still DRM.

Arguing level of DRM versus other retailers is a different matter. Obviously GOG has the lowest level.

Some people using it to stir argument doesn't undermine the facts of the matter.

Selling Steam only games. (Or at least Windows Steam only).
DRM itself is a very vague term. Therefore a "No DRM at all" is pretty ridiculous. Only Sith deal in absolutes.