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IronStar: Except they are large enough to be in position to demand it from indie developers? No one, except maybe some other AAA company will get same treatment. Ever. Don't worry too much about it.
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Kristian: I am doubtful that is limited to AAA companies. But lets say it is, before this some of those may have relented after negotiations but now they NEVER will.
I'm not. The amount of money devs get from HIB is more than enough for HIB to have leverage in negotiations. Also THQ is broke, and there is no way that they could afford de-steamification niw, especially as that would take 90% of bundle sales. And than again there is MP and DLC-s.
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gameon: 1.2 million dollars in it's first day. Not bad at all. What is the highest selling humble bundle? This may beat that record.
IIRC, it was that awesome beast with Bastion and most top indies at the time. Made roughly 6 million dollars. It also had a high average.
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amok: I do not see this happening at all. I do see that there may be other steam bundles coming from them, but I do not see a total shut-down of cross-platform and DRM free bundles. Same as they now have other types of bundles (Andriod bundles, game jams and so on). I have no problems with these things co-existing next to each other.

Do not forget that this is also NOT a indie bundle... When HiB 7 comes it will be business as usual.
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Kristian: Sure there will be other HIB bundles, but I am also certain there are companies out there who prior to this may have hesitantly allowed Humbe Bundle to ship DRM free, cross platform versions of some of their games in a HIB who will NOT be doing that now. I am also sure there are companies out there which GOG may have been able to persuade to sign on here which will not do so now.
Making a game DRM-free and cross-platform isn't something you decide on a whim. It's something you commit to from the beginning. If you decide later to do so, it costs a lot of time and money to fix, update, and test.

THQ is a AAA game creator. The games cost millions of dollars to produce and update. They're also a struggling company. Making their games cross-platform (and possibly DRM-free, as I don't know exactly the details about whether or not Steam has consolidated code for developers to use or whatever) would cost millions of dollars that they literally can't afford. There's no way, unless the games were already cross-platform, for THQ to make them so in their current situation.

Humble also happens to be by far the best-known bundle creator. They didn't choose to make the Humble THQ Bundle on a whim. The guys at Humble are also caring people, realizing that THQ needs help to keep afloat, and that they are probably the best option THQ has.

So either Humble rigidly adheres to the rules they have and the Humble THQ Bundle doesn't happen, or they make an exception to help a struggling company that delivers games everybody loves. I don't see why they would or should indiscriminately apply their rules to everybody in every situation, since every situation is different.
This bundle is certainly less humble, with a large company like THQ. I actually already have all these games, but I did get a gift code and I intend to give it away here on GOG after the bundle has ended, so keep an eye out for that!
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Kristian: HAHAH. Yea and the earth is flat, 3 hours old and the center of the universe, right?

No this will take that clout down to 0. Other companies will be able to point to THQ as an example and demand that they get the same treatment and the Humble guys will have NO counter in that case.

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I can imagine the conversations right now:

Humble Bundle guys: "Would you like to be this bundle we are doing?"
Devs: "Sounds interesting"
Humble Bundle: "All you have to do is to provide us with DRM free versions of your game and either port them to Mac and Linux or allow us to do that"
Devs: "No way, we will provide Steam keys for Windows just like you did with THQ"
Humble Bundle guys: "Uhm...."
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Immoli: Or it may be

Humble Bundle guys: "Would you like to be this bundle we are doing?"
Devs: "Sounds interesting"
Humble Bundle: "All you have to do is to provide us with DRM free versions of your game and either port them to Mac and Linux or allow us to do that"
Devs: "No way, we will provide Steam keys for Windows just like you did with THQ"
Humble Bundle guys: Okay then, we will throw you into the Steam-only bundle.


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amok: I do see that there may be other steam bundles coming from them, but I do not see a total shut-down of cross-platform and DRM free bundles.
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Immoli:
Exactly the problem. They will be forced to give in. Had they not done this bundle the imagined scenario you set up may well have ended with them agreeing to do just that. Now they won't, so we will get fewer DRM free cross-platform titles than otherwise.

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Making a game DRM-free and cross-platform isn't something you decide on a whim. It's something you commit to from the beginning. If you decide later to do so, it costs a lot of time and money to fix, update, and test.
Zirun, other development studios have done just that after being required to in order to be in a HIB. Like Double Fine Productions with Psychonauts. The game didn't have a Linux version before it was in the HIB, I don't think it was DRM free either before that. But they made that happen for the HIB, now no developer will make that happen because of the HIB.
Post edited November 29, 2012 by Kristian
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amok: Hey - that could give them more clout to enforce more DRM free bundles.
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Kristian: HAHAH. Yea and the earth is flat, 3 hours old and the center of the universe, right?

No this will take that clout down to 0. Other companies will be able to point to THQ as an example and demand that they get the same treatment and the Humble guys will have NO counter in that case.

Edit:

I can imagine the conversations right now:

Humble Bundle guys: "Would you like to be this bundle we are doing?"
Devs: "Sounds interesting"
Humble Bundle: "All you have to do is to provide us with DRM free versions of your game and either port them to Mac and Linux or allow us to do that"
Devs: "No way, we will provide Steam keys for Windows just like you did with THQ"
Humble Bundle guys: "Uhm...."
Oh bullshit.
All the Humble guys have to do is point out to the other successful DRM free bundles that made the devs money
Post edited November 29, 2012 by CaptainGyro
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amok: HB "uhmm - yes, and we sold 220k bundles in the first 6 hours, made over 1.2 million in just 6 hours. We have a huge user base and we will let you on on the game if you just supply your games with DRM free and cross platform exe.'s... So what do you say guys, are you in?"
Devs "Sure, we want a slice of that action"
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Kristian: They will immediatly counter that all those sales where just because those where AAA games(if they are an indie) with DRM and point to all the other less sucessfull bundle's as evidence.
And than they will.counter them by showing them sales of competitors bundles that barely made 10 grand total.
This bundle is ridiculous :D
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gameon: 1.2 million dollars in it's first day. Not bad at all. What is the highest selling humble bundle? This may beat that record.
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SimonG: IIRC, it was that awesome beast with Bastion and most top indies at the time. Made roughly 6 million dollars. It also had a high average.
Part of me wants THQ to survive, and part of me wants the indie scene to keep it's best selling record. But so far it's selling really fast indeed.

The last bundle i bought from them was that botanicula one. That even included a movie. Well worth paying over the BTA amount.
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Kristian: HAHAH. Yea and the earth is flat, 3 hours old and the center of the universe, right?

No this will take that clout down to 0. Other companies will be able to point to THQ as an example and demand that they get the same treatment and the Humble guys will have NO counter in that case.

Edit:

I can imagine the conversations right now:

Humble Bundle guys: "Would you like to be this bundle we are doing?"
Devs: "Sounds interesting"
Humble Bundle: "All you have to do is to provide us with DRM free versions of your game and either port them to Mac and Linux or allow us to do that"
Devs: "No way, we will provide Steam keys for Windows just like you did with THQ"
Humble Bundle guys: "Uhm...."
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CaptainGyro: Oh bullshit.
All the Humble guys have to do is point out to the other successful DRM free bundles that made the devs money
In which case they will point to this one beating the shit out of those sales wise and claim the reason was that it was Windows only bundle with DRM.
It will be interesting if the DLC will be the bonus....
German Gamers now get special german Saints Row 3 Keys with the purchaise. Cut games from a humble bundle without any information. This hurts more than the DRM discussion...


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SimonG: It will be interesting if the DLC will be the bonus....
I dont think so. THQ wants some money from the bundle. An giving away the base game nearly for free seems to be a good way to get some people to buy the dlc...
Post edited November 29, 2012 by Rincewind81
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CaptainGyro: Oh bullshit.
All the Humble guys have to do is point out to the other successful DRM free bundles that made the devs money
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Kristian: In which case they will point to this one beating the shit out of those sales wise and claim the reason was that it was Windows only bundle with DRM.
wtf no they won't. Did you just really say that they would claim that being Windows only increased sales? You're arguing just to argue
Post edited November 29, 2012 by CaptainGyro
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Rincewind81: German Gamers now get special german Saints Row 3 Keys with the purchaise. Cut games from a humble bundle without any information. This hurts more than the DRM discussion...
And CoH? That is the much bigger issue. I'm downloading now. Worst case scenario, I buy it again from sweden ... ;-).
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Rincewind81: I dont think so. THQ wants some money from the bundle. An giving away the base game nearly for free seems to be a good way to get some people to buy the dlc...
My thoughts exactly. I guess the bonus will be Space Marine.
Post edited November 29, 2012 by SimonG
IMO, the only thing selling this bundle is SR; funny how people don't seem to realize that they ain't going to be getting any of the DRM ... probably core of THQ's plan: HIB out the core SR game with a bunch of throw away titles, then sell the DLC to everyone to make up the losses.


my main "that's some bullshit" issue is that THQ has got plenty of older non-Steam games that I would buy the shit out of in a HIB (Dawn Of War 1, STALKER SOC, Red Faction 1&2) and could easily be presented DRM free.