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hkabik: I'm not convinced this is going to effect the overall mission of HiB at all. This is probably how THQ wanted it and it's fine by me, it get's HiB more exposure for sure which means more people buying bundles in the future which is good for anything.

Just because they are doing this THQ bundle doesn't mean they are back treading on what their ant-DRM stance... it just means they took this particular deal, not that it's going to effect all the future ones.

Until I see differently I'm assuming this is a win win, if anything I'm mad at THQ for not offering DRM free versions. Not HiB for making the bundle available.
What happens when the next developer wants it that way and then the next and the next. They agreed to let THQ do this and now they will have to agree to let anyone else do this and so now now otherwise reluctant company will EVER agree to DRM free/cross-platform games. Given the bad effect on GOG it would not at all surprise me if this place had to shut down within a year :(

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SLP2000: They (HIB guys) could say no.
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keeveek: Principles over money? I thought you were older than me.
Well by insisting on DRM free games, GOG is choosing principles over money.
Post edited November 29, 2012 by Kristian
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Kristian: DRM free, cross-platform games were the Humble Bundle's specialty.
Not really... i'm pretty sure the vast majority of people buys from them simply because of the "pay what you want" policy, and the better average quality of titles compared to other bundles.

If DRM-free is really a primary factor, how come GOG sales number are not constantly in the 6-digits like almost any HiB so far?!
Post edited November 29, 2012 by Antaniserse
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hkabik: Just because they are doing this THQ bundle doesn't mean they are back treading on what their ant-DRM stance... it just means they took this particular deal, not that it's going to effect all the future ones.

Until I see differently I'm assuming this is a win win, if anything I'm mad at THQ for not offering DRM free versions. Not HiB for making the bundle available.
Maybe GOG should start selling the occasional game with DRM then, too, maybe with regional pricing if necessary, just for these particular games, to give GOG more exposure and attract more customers.
As far as charity goes that is no reason to go with the Humble Bundle over other bundles. Other bundles out there support charity as well.
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hkabik: I'm not convinced this is going to effect the overall mission of HiB at all. This is probably how THQ wanted it and it's fine by me, it get's HiB more exposure for sure which means more people buying bundles in the future which is good for anything.

Just because they are doing this THQ bundle doesn't mean they are back treading on what their ant-DRM stance... it just means they took this particular deal, not that it's going to effect all the future ones.

Until I see differently I'm assuming this is a win win, if anything I'm mad at THQ for not offering DRM free versions. Not HiB for making the bundle available.
This. This right here.

From their FAQ:

Q:
Why is this bundle different from all other bundles?
A:
THQ Bundle is not the new direction of the company, it's one more bundle thing we're doing among many other bundles, like Indie Bundles, eBooks, Music, Android, etc. It won't impede our efforts with other established bundle types, this is just a cool experiment that we're excited to be trying out.

In other words: They're trying something different, this won't affect the rest of their stuff. Let's wait to get concerned until HIB7 follows suit.
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Fesin: First got really excited, then I saw it requires Steam. Now I'm confused and pissed.

I've never bought a Steam game, but this makes me think if it might be worth 1$ (and giving it to charity), just so I can play Metro 2033 on a PC. I mean, I DO have a Steam account (to play Portal for free).

Now I have something to think about.
The more games you have on Steam, the more trapped you are. It's the main goal of account-based DRM.
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Kristian: As far as charity goes that is no reason to go with the Humble Bundle over other bundles. Other bundles out there support charity as well.
Other charity-supporting bundles sell these games too? Where?

And I originally made the comment because you said there was no difference from buying this with drm on gog. Yes there is a difference.
Post edited November 29, 2012 by CaptainGyro
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MichaelPalin: The more games you have on Steam, the more trapped you are.
ahhh - like GoG.
At least I was late enough that the Steam infection was properly indicated, not going to touch this bundle unless the later added incentives are revealed to be DRM-free executables and all of the DLC packs.
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Whiteblade999: I just gave them a few bucks and put all of it towards charity. If bundle upsets you guys then just don't give THQ the money, it literally lets you do that for once instead of on principle.
Finally someone is making sense.
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Kristian: What happens when the next developer wants it that way and then the next and the next. They agreed to let THQ do this and now they will have to agree to let anyone else do this and so now now otherwise reluctant company will EVER agree to DRM free/cross-platform games. Given the bad effect on GOG it would not at all surprise me if this place had to shut down within a year :(
I do not see this have any effect on gog at all, it is two completely different things. (they stopped selling apples, so we will no longer eat oranges)
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hkabik: I'm not convinced this is going to effect the overall mission of HiB at all. This is probably how THQ wanted it and it's fine by me, it get's HiB more exposure for sure which means more people buying bundles in the future which is good for anything.

Just because they are doing this THQ bundle doesn't mean they are back treading on what their ant-DRM stance... it just means they took this particular deal, not that it's going to effect all the future ones.

Until I see differently I'm assuming this is a win win, if anything I'm mad at THQ for not offering DRM free versions. Not HiB for making the bundle available.
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AllisonUnderland: This. This right here.

From their FAQ:

Q:
Why is this bundle different from all other bundles?
A:
THQ Bundle is not the new direction of the company, it's one more bundle thing we're doing among many other bundles, like Indie Bundles, eBooks, Music, Android, etc. It won't impede our efforts with other established bundle types, this is just a cool experiment that we're excited to be trying out.

In other words: They're trying something different, this won't affect the rest of their stuff. Let's wait to get concerned until HIB7 follows suit.
They can say so all they want but this WILL hurt the normal bundles since no otherwise reluctant developer will EVER agree to do a DRM free/cross-platform debut for a Humble Bundle ever again.
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kalirion: Nice? what did you buy at?
1.07 I intend to hold, but we'll see what happens tomorrow.
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Kristian: They can say so all they want but this WILL hurt the normal bundles since no otherwise reluctant developer will EVER agree to do a DRM free/cross-platform debut for a Humble Bundle ever again.
If HiB put it as an condition on the next bundle, and the developer refuses, then HiB can just show them the door... HiB is a quite strong brand now, they can do quite a lot of things as they like, I do not see them having any problems at all getting developers who would agree...
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Kristian: What happens when the next developer wants it that way and then the next and the next. They agreed to let THQ do this and now they will have to agree to let anyone else do this and so now now otherwise reluctant company will EVER agree to DRM free/cross-platform games. Given the bad effect on GOG it would not at all surprise me if this place had to shut down within a year :(
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amok: I do not see this have any effect on gog at all, it is two completely different things. (they stopped selling apples, so we will no longer eat oranges)
Sure it will, companies are already hesitant to sign up to GOG due to their DRM free stance, this will give them more ammo to refuse GOG. They will point to this bundle and say that even those guys, who otherwise also were "fanatical" about a DRM free stance, were willing to be "practical" and "reasonable" in order to sign up THQ.

So GOG will have an even harder time signing up developers and publishers. Which could mean games drying up on GOG, in the worst(and therefore most likely) case doing GOG in.

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Kristian: They can say so all they want but this WILL hurt the normal bundles since no otherwise reluctant developer will EVER agree to do a DRM free/cross-platform debut for a Humble Bundle ever again.
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amok: If HiB put it as an condition on the next bundle, and the developer refuses, then HiB can just show them the door... HiB is a quite strong brand now, they can do quite a lot of things as they like, I do not see them having any problems at all getting developers who would agree...
They COULD do that, but now they let THQ in. Other developers and publishers aren't going to agree to their terms now. They want to be treated equally with THQ.
Post edited November 29, 2012 by Kristian