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Any series you can fuck Miranda Lawson in is PERFECT FROM START TO FINISH.
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AndrewC: Oh, look, another Humble Botanicula Bundle thread on GOG :)

As soon as you guys come to accept that this is a business the better. The guys running the Humble Bundle want as many sales as possible, and the DRM-free, multiplatform thing was a great way to get a lot of press really fast in the start.

As long as you treat this as a sale, and not as a political statement, then all is good in the universe.
It can be a deal breaker. GOG for example have principal anti DRM stance. If Humble Bundle looses that appeal - I won't respect them as much as I was before.

Blood diamonds can't be considered "all is good". DRM is evil, that's it.
Post edited December 02, 2012 by shmerl
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AndrewC: Oh, look, another Humble Botanicula Bundle thread on GOG :)

As soon as you guys come to accept that this is a business the better. The guys running the Humble Bundle want as many sales as possible, and the DRM-free, multiplatform thing was a great way to get a lot of press really fast in the start.

As long as you treat this as a sale, and not as a political statement, then all is good in the universe.
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shmerl: It can be a deal breaker. GOG for example have principal anti DRM stance. If Humble Bundle looses that appeal - I won't respect them as much as I was before.

Blood diamonds can't be considered "all is good". DRM is evil, that's it.
Oooooo, an irrational comparison between a game bundle and blood diamonds. Close to the needed Nazi mark to send this thread over the top, but not quite there.

If people would stop building up 'good guy' game companies in the first place, maybe that would be a good idea? They aren't your friend. They aren't your buddy. They only exist to offer you a product from time to time. Stop building them up in to anything more than that, regardless of who it is. It's time to put on some adult clothes.

But no, we'll keep putting our silly little white hats and black hats on every publisher and developer and distributor out there and contorting ourselves in to pretzels when one of the white hats does something we don't like :

"No, BioWare is perfect, it was that damn EA! No, Blizzard is perfect, it was that damn Activision!"

And then we get this. Yeah, there have been some good points made. And there have also been a lot of foot stomping tantrums thrown because their precious little white hat wearing humble bundle guys have BETRAYED them. They didn't betray you. You betrayed yourself when you convinced yourself that a game distributor is anything more than that, and that they're your buddy with your best interests at heart. They exist to sell you bundles. Early on, sure, they're small and aren't sure this is even going to be viable. Now? No. It's a business. Treat it as such.
Post edited December 02, 2012 by Crassmaster
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Fenixp: As SimonG has suggested, if restrictions are never good for us, well, we'd better start acting like it.
I believe the appropriate colloquialism is "speak for your damn self!" :P
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Darling_Jimmy: I believe the appropriate colloquialism is "speak for your damn self!" :P
Well I'm not doing that either. But a ton of people who buy indie bundles do, and we (gamers) will not be rated according to yours or my standards, you know.
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Crassmaster: And then we get this. Yeah, there have been some good points made. And there have also been a lot of foot stomping tantrums thrown because their precious little white hat wearing humble bundle guys have BETRAYED them. They didn't betray you. You betrayed yourself when you convinced yourself that a game distributor is anything more than that, and that they're your buddy with your best interests at heart. They exist to sell you bundles. Early on, sure, they're small and aren't sure this is even going to be viable. Now? No. It's a business. Treat it as such.
You know, if at the very least the was any kind of official statement saying that humble bundles will always only sell DRM-free, cross platform games. But all there ever was is a half-joking comment on discussion boards. Baffles my mind.
Post edited December 02, 2012 by Fenixp
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granny: Dafuq?

So long as gamers are paying their god damn wages, you're damn right gamers have a sense of entitlement. Without us, they do not exist.

So yes, they do exist to please gamers. It is not entitlement to say that, any more than it's entitlement to say that my local supermarket exists to please its customers.
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SimonG: And I always thought a contract was between two equal partners. Guess I was wrong ...
hahahahahahahaha. sorry, that's ridiculous. unconscionable conduct wouldn't exist if that was the case.
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Crassmaster: Oooooo, an irrational comparison between a game bundle and blood iamonds.
It's not irrational. It's highlighting the focus on ethical business practices. DRM is unethical (even if not to a degree like blood diamonds, but still unethical). It's preemptive policing approach which disrespects legitimate users. So any distributor which has strong anti DRM stance (kudos to GOG) deserves extra credit and encouragement. And other way around, if distributor decides that DRM is acceptable - it adds to their bad reputation.

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Crassmaster: If people would stop building up 'good guy' game companies in the first place, maybe that would be a good idea? They aren't your friend. They aren't your buddy. They only exist to offer you a product from time to time. Stop building them up in to anything more than that, regardless of who it is. It's time to put on some adult clothes.
If people would stop holding the nonsense that business should be unethical, and wouldn't tolerate such practices voting with their wallets, companies would be much more thoughtful before engaging in any such kind of behavior. But no, people say they don't care and it's OK. You get what you choose.
Post edited December 02, 2012 by shmerl
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htown1980: hahahahahahahaha. sorry, that's ridiculous. unconscionable conduct wouldn't exist if that was the case.
I think I know a little bit more about this than you do ...

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Oh, wait. You are using apple products. Yeah, that is definitely not a contract based on mutual respect. Actually explains a lot.
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Fenixp: You know, if at the very least the was any kind of official statement saying that humble bundles will always only sell DRM-free, cross platform games. But all there ever was is a half-joking comment on discussion boards. Baffles my mind.
Two.Years.Ago.
Post edited December 02, 2012 by SimonG
According to the HIB wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humble_Indie_Bundle#Humble_Indie_Bundle_V) HIB V sold about 600000 copies.

The THQ bundle is already at 565000. I wonder how many total it will sell? Since the average is lower than HIB V, I'm not sure which is on track to have the most revenue. Still, really impressive.
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mondo84: According to the HIB wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humble_Indie_Bundle#Humble_Indie_Bundle_V) HIB V sold about 600000 copies.

The THQ bundle is already at 565000. I wonder how many total it will sell? Since the average is lower than HIB V, I'm not sure which is on track to have the most revenue. Still, really impressive.
What makes this really impressive is that this bundle doesn't really hold anything of interest. Especially the indie bundles always had some great deals with some games discounted for the first time.

Every game in this bundle has been available for 85% off. Most of those just a few days ago.

Imagine a bundle like this with the "freshness" of a HIB....
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SimonG: Imagine a bundle like this with the "freshness" of a HIB....
It has me really excited for HIB 7, which was hinted to be coming in 2-3 weeks. Have to think they have a great lineup planned for the holidays. Last year's holiday-time bundle (HIB 4) was awesome.
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htown1980: hahahahahahahaha. sorry, that's ridiculous. unconscionable conduct wouldn't exist if that was the case.
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SimonG: I think I know a little bit more about this than you do ...

Edit:

Oh, wait. You are using apple products. Yeah, that is definitely not a contract based on mutual respect. Actually explains a lot.
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Fenixp: You know, if at the very least the was any kind of official statement saying that humble bundles will always only sell DRM-free, cross platform games. But all there ever was is a half-joking comment on discussion boards. Baffles my mind.
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SimonG: Two.Years.Ago.
yeah? what makes you think you know more about this than I do?
hmm..... why did we not have this thread a week ago - Amnesia Fortnight Bundle is not cross-platform, it is windows only...
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amok: hmm..... why did we not have this thread a week ago - Amnesia Fortnight Bundle is not cross-platform, it is windows only...
That's an interesting point. Since Double Fine is a smaller company (not sure if they are "indie" but I think they qualify for that term), maybe that's why there wasn't as much discussion.

I think most of the controversy around the web started with THQ being a larger company, then all the other things (DRM, platforms, etc.) sprung off that topic. I could be mistaken, though.
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amok: hmm..... why did we not have this thread a week ago - Amnesia Fortnight Bundle is not cross-platform, it is windows only...
Jack Claw in the Humble Frozenbyte Bundle wasn't cross-platform either. Though no bundle until now has apparently warranted a red banner of Windows only and Steam only doom.

Personally I have no significant beef with the Windows only part. I have had to rely on third party compatibility solutions for years now anyway. The inclusion of DRM does greatly diminish the value, though it still might be worth a few bucks (and that suits the PWYW format just fine.)