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SLP2000: sure, because all those people who pay $1 for a bundle now will be buying games on Humble Store, right.

I'd say it's a problem for Desura, or maybe even for GamersGate.
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keeveek: Let's compare

Humble Store: goodies and linux versions, most of the time DRM free + steam key

GOG: avatars and wallpepers

Time will tell how sales numbers on Humble Store are going to look like.

But yeah, whatevs, it seems that GOG is not a competitor to anyone, right?
1) Steam
2) Uplay/Origin
3) GOG









4) GMG/GG/GGG/Desura


5) All Assorted







6) HB - the store only opened so they have to start from the bottom
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SLP2000: sure, because all those people who pay $1 for a bundle now will be buying games on Humble Store, right.

I'd say it's a problem for Desura, or maybe even for GamersGate.
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nijuu: I dont understand how it could be a problem for Desura.
Many of the new indie games come through desura first (or they did). Never seen any games actually launch on HB so to say.
My experience is opposite... I see quite a lot of games being first sold via Humble Widgets, especially Alphas and Betas, and they later come into places Desura.

The only difference is visibility, as you need to know about the games and go searching for their homepage, on Desura you get updates and notifications when a new game is released, so I can see the reason behind this perceptions.

edit - one thing you can do is to make use of third party sites like this - http://calvein.github.io/humble-games/table.html - but you still need to manually sort out which games are new or not.
Post edited November 12, 2013 by amok
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keeveek: Humble Store: goodies and linux versions, most of the time DRM free + steam key

GOG: avatars and wallpepers

Time will tell how sales numbers on Humble Store are going to look like.

But yeah, whatevs, it seems that GOG is not a competitor to anyone, right?
I'd say Humble Store might only change GOG for the better, that is - to support linux in some way.

Other things? As MaximumBunny said, it looks like it will be another Steam sale discount.

Humble guys made success because their found their own way (just like GOG did).

Now they (Humble guys) try to do thing others do better (and started earlier).
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nijuu: I dont understand how it could be a problem for Desura.
Many of the new indie games come through desura first (or they did). Never seen any games actually launch on HB so to say.
For what I read, Desure was not doing very well, and now there's another store that's doing exactly the same thing as Desura. It has to be a problem then.
Post edited November 12, 2013 by SLP2000
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Barefoot_Monkey: Well, look at that. Humble Store has a proper storefront now, and they're running a debut sale.
So far the storefront is not really that functional but I wish them luck. Another competitor offering a lot of choices regarding DRM and OS is appreciated. It can only be good for the video game distribution business in general.
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SLP2000: Now they (Humble guys) try to do thing others do better (and started earlier).
How exactly do they do better?

Humble gives bigger cut to devs
Humble offers multiplatform releases (not always, but still)
Humble offers goodies that are not on other stores probably except GOG
Humble offers prices in dollars (same as GOG)

that's just from the top of my head.
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tokisto: Hmmmm...
GOG, you have serious competition now. They have a combo that potentially pleases everybody: DRM free, Steam keys and Linux versions.
Depends how ardent they are with providing DRM-free versions and not just becoming a Steam/Origin key seller, or does it remain in the level of "Yeah, if there is a DRM-free version from the developer, maybe we put it into the mix too, if we can be arsed to...", a bit like how GamersGate is selling "DRM-free" games. Albeit, I don't know if GG offers any games with both a Steam key and the local GG version, included in the same price?

That's the thing I prefer with GOG, they are more strict about DRM-free, and not indifferent about it. And if someone comes with the argument that hardly anyone cares about DRM... all the more reason then to believe then Humble to offer less and less DRM-free versions (a bit like the weeklies have increasingly become Steam-key only promos).

That reminds me: since there was a HB Origin, does the current HS include any Origin keys for sale?

But overall: yes, this is more competition also towards GOG. Maybe GOG will indeed look more and more to offering also Linux versions, just like they earlier added Mac versions.
Post edited November 12, 2013 by timppu
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SLP2000: Now they (Humble guys) try to do thing others do better (and started earlier).
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keeveek: How exactly do they do better?

Humble gives bigger cut to devs
Humble offers multiplatform releases (not always, but still)
Humble offers goodies that are not on other stores probably except GOG
Humble offers prices in dollars (same as GOG)

that's just from the top of my head.
First of all - GOG is giving some money to (some) devs in advance, before the game is released (so the devs may improve their game).

GOG is (at least that's what they tell) helping devs with their advice, what could be improved in a game.

GOG is giving much more visibility to new games than any other store.

GOG has better support.

GOG is known for their own name, and HS is (at least for now) just an addition to HIBs.

GOG has bigger user base than HS (and I'm not talking about people who buy bundles; I buy their HIBs, but I won't be buying games on HS, I'd prefer to have them here).
Post edited November 12, 2013 by SLP2000
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keeveek: Humble gives bigger cut to devs
75%? Are we still talking about Humble Store?
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keeveek: How exactly do they do better?

Humble gives bigger cut to devs
Humble offers multiplatform releases (not always, but still)
Humble offers goodies that are not on other stores probably except GOG
Humble offers prices in dollars (same as GOG)

that's just from the top of my head.
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SLP2000: First of all - GOG is giving some money to (some) devs in advance, before the game is released (so the devs may improve their game).

GOG is (at least that's what they tell) helping devs with their advice, what could be improved in a game.

GOG is giving much more visibility to new games than any other store.

GOG has better support.

GOG is known for their own name, and HS is (at least for now) just an addition to HIBs.

GOG has bigger user base than HS (and I'm not talking about people who buy bundles; I buy their HIBs, but I won't be buying games on HS, I'd prefer to have them here).
Every point you make is either false, can't be proven, or is also true of other stores. Congrats on a 100% fanboy post!
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Asbeau: Every point you make is either false, can't be proven, or is also true of other stores. Congrats on a 100% fanboy post!
Because your post is true and can be proven, congrats on saying actually nothing.

ps.

first two points - GOG said about that themselves. I have no reason not to trust them about that. Never saw anyone to provide that kind of support to the devs.

visibility - my opinion, based on what I saw entering other stores.

better support - at least they try to provide fixes, where possible. That's more than any other store does.

name - my opinion

bigger user base - I think that's a fact, HS just started.
Post edited November 12, 2013 by SLP2000
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Asbeau: ... Every point you make is either false, can't be proven, or is also true of other stores. Congrats on a 100% fanboy post!
Most of the points here can't be proven. I also disagree with SLP on some of the points but agree on others. In the end proovableness is always the weak point in any internet discussion. So we should have a more relaxes attitude towards most things. A live and let live thing.

Just wait and see how HS and GOG develop. Maybe in some months it will be clearer what are the advantages and disadvantages of each store.

Maybe they will complement each other. Already now HS has games GOG has not and vice versa.

Surely HS and GOG will be competitors on the Indie games market. We'll see who can cater best to the customers. I personally don't want to hear fan-ish appraisals from either side.
Post edited November 12, 2013 by Trilarion
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SLP2000: snip
This link proves that Humble guys have been helping indie devs not only with advice, but also with actual coding and porting:

http://hitboxteam.com/dustforce-sales-figures

Soon after our January launch, we were contacted by the fine folks from the Humble Bundle. They were interested in putting Dustforce on a future bundle, as well as helping us port the game over to Linux..

(sorry SG for stealing your post from somewhere else :P)
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SLP2000: Now they (Humble guys) try to do thing others do better (and started earlier).
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keeveek: How exactly do they do better?

Humble gives bigger cut to devs
Humble offers multiplatform releases (not always, but still)
Humble offers goodies that are not on other stores probably except GOG
Humble offers prices in dollars (same as GOG)

that's just from the top of my head.
So your not a GOG promoter im going to assume?. I thought better of you .. and a few others who seem to promote anything but GOG
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Asbeau: Every point you make is either false, can't be proven, or is also true of other stores. Congrats on a 100% fanboy post!
-money in advance: look here ("You get an advance on the royalties from your game.")

-advice: look here

-visibility: can Humble Widgets beat a true store in visibility?

-support: maybe Humble does eventually support. But gog always did and still does.

So...
Hum.

Haters gonna hate.
Post edited November 12, 2013 by Huinehtar
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nijuu: So your not a GOG promoter im going to assume?. I thought better of you .. and a few others who seem to promote anything but GOG
Why would I promote anything ? I don't get paid for it. I just post my opinions, this time also with facts. For now, Humble Store is too small to make bigger valid comparisons. I wonder why they decided to launch only with daily deals without other games... But I think it's only a matter of time.