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timppu: In my mind it is somewhat comparable as the reason "I buy from HB because they give a bigger cut to the developers.". That is also "merely" an ideological reason.

(But I guess that is not true anymore with HS, they still give the developer "only" 75%, which appears to be the industry standard.)
Well yeah, that's why I don't tend to mention those when I'm talking pros. I believe that most customers will care about the 'bang for their bug' moreso than for ideology - and currently, it seems you just get more with HS purchase. GOG could really do a lot here with supporting Linux, that way, people who don't care about Steam yet use Linux would have a new place to shop.
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timppu: In my mind it is somewhat comparable as the reason "I buy from HB because they give a bigger cut to the developers.". That is also "merely" an ideological reason.

(But I guess that is not true anymore with HS, they still give the developer "only" 75%, which appears to be the industry standard.)
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Fenixp: Well yeah, that's why I don't tend to mention those when I'm talking pros. I believe that most customers will care about the 'bang for their bug' moreso than for ideology - and currently, it seems you just get more with HS purchase. GOG could really do a lot here with supporting Linux, that way, people who don't care about Steam yet use Linux would have a new place to shop.
And it is in the Humble Store the 75/15/10 applies, it seems that Humble Widget is still a 95/5 split. And giving most to developers is an ideology I can get behind, I believe in giving most money to the people who did the work :)
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Ric1987: I bought Rogue Legacy and it told me I already have it on Steam(which I didn't) but it did add it to my account. So the new store seems a little glitchy.
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teabow: So tempted to buy Rogue Legacy as well. Do you absolutely need a controller to enjoy it ?
I like to use the gamepad myself, but wouldn't say you need it.
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Fenixp: Well yeah, that's why I don't tend to mention those when I'm talking pros. I believe that most customers will care about the 'bang for their bug' moreso than for ideology - and currently, it seems you just get more with HS purchase. GOG could really do a lot here with supporting Linux, that way, people who don't care about Steam yet use Linux would have a new place to shop.
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amok: And it is in the Humble Store the 75/15/10 applies, it seems that Humble Widget is still a 95/5 split. And giving most to developers is an ideology I can get behind, I believe in giving most money to the people who did the work :)
And it is the Humble Store we are talking about here anyway. "Humble Widget" has a whole another set of cons from the end-user point of view, like not really being a store at all.

I believe in giving part of my money also to the people who try to actively steer the PC gaming market to the direction I prefer it going, like requiring DRM-free versions of games from the publishers. GOG does that, but HB/HS doesn't seem to care much. That is also extra work that someone has to do, so why not pay for that something as well.

You could think of two stores where one has most of its games ridden with additional SecuROM and always-online DRM, and then another store which is strict about offering only single DRM that doesn't require constant online connection. For someone who prefers games with only single DRM and with no always-online DRM, it is probably not unthinkable for that person to want to support the store which is strict about such a policy.
Post edited November 12, 2013 by timppu
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amok: ... And it is in the Humble Store the 75/15/10 applies, it seems that Humble Widget is still a 95/5 split. And giving most to developers is an ideology I can get behind, I believe in giving most money to the people who did the work :)
Unless you buy shortly after release or buy games regularly multiple times or donate money to devs I think the ideology is rather weak. After all customers just go for the lowest price. If the devs really get more money than as a byproduct of having produced a good game.

We should not forget that this is about economy and free markets. Customers get great products for a low price and in the end the right mix of low costs and good service will win.

The difference between 75:25 or 70:30 doesn't seem that big. Maybe if Humble Bundle would make the 10% charity optional...

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Fenixp: ...- and currently, it seems you just get more with HS purchase. ...
The assumed 5% difference in the cut isn't that big. We should compare the prices of the games that are available on both plattforms. For example as a minimal or weighted average price over a certain period. That would give the true price competitiveness of both stores.

But then I would still trust GOG more with the support. So far GOG answered all my 3-5 support request satisfactorily within hours to one day. I don't trust that the Humble Store can deliver the same quality of service, so I would consider using them only if they are (somewhat) cheaper than GOG.

On the other hand a bit of competition from Humble Store to GOG could result in GOG lowering their cuts and do with less profits. That would be great news for us customers unless all this ends in cutthroat price competition and no support anymore. That would be bad.
Post edited November 12, 2013 by Trilarion
F*CK! my post disappeared while posting due to my shitty internet connection (one of the reason why I don't much bother with Steam these days). So to summarize:

FenixP: a drm-free game on GOG doesn't mean that it will be available on HS (Democracy 3, Deadly Premonitions, etc.) and vice-versa (Intrusion 2, Tiny Barbarian, Wizorb, etc.)

In general:

In the long-run (if they fix the patch thing and the catalogue), the HS would be just a Gamersgate-like (with a larger customer-base I suppose) with Linux support from a customer's point of view. Oh yeah, indiegamestand already do this "linux+bonus+key thing" also (but with less customers)

From a developer's point of view, GOG still has got a card to play because it's one of the only (the only one?) online game store who bothers to feature new releases with a proper article, a video on youtube and a release thread in the forum. In terms of exposure/marketing, it's better than to be lost on the steam frontpage for a day and getting angry rants on the game's forum. If Jasper Byrne (Lone Survivor) wasn't featured in an hib, I doubt he would have sold 800.000 copies of his game only with a widget or "lost" in a catalogue.
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KneeTheCap: Get. Euro. Truck 2.

Now.
I went and watched the promo for it there. Youtube should really make people sign in to watch that sort of vehicular porn! :D
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tokisto: Hmmmm...
GOG, you have serious competition now. They have a combo that potentially pleases everybody: DRM free, Steam keys and Linux versions.
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timppu: Depends how ardent they are with providing DRM-free versions and not just becoming a Steam/Origin key seller, or does it remain in the level of "Yeah, if there is a DRM-free version from the developer, maybe we put it into the mix too, if we can be arsed to...", a bit like how GamersGate is selling "DRM-free" games. Albeit, I don't know if GG offers any games with both a Steam key and the local GG version, included in the same price?

That's the thing I prefer with GOG, they are more strict about DRM-free, and not indifferent about it. And if someone comes with the argument that hardly anyone cares about DRM... all the more reason then to believe then Humble to offer less and less DRM-free versions (a bit like the weeklies have increasingly become Steam-key only promos).

That reminds me: since there was a HB Origin, does the current HS include any Origin keys for sale?

But overall: yes, this is more competition also towards GOG. Maybe GOG will indeed look more and more to offering also Linux versions, just like they earlier added Mac versions.
I agree with you in most parts. It´s not possible to say if HB will concern with the DRM-free in some degree near GOG does. I should have said that "I believe" that GOG have serious competition now. Some ppl pointed about other stores already selling DRM-free games and Steam keys. But I should have pointed that none of them does both at same time and with a competitive price (GG doesn´t do that, or they sell steam keys or drm-free or tagés and similars).
"That's the thing I prefer with GOG, they are more strict about DRM-free, and not indifferent about it." Same to me. But for the big crowd we know that´s not true, and they will see the drm-free as an extra with their steam keys (a lot of them will trade and/or sell codes and stay with the drm-free, sadly).
And GOG should had funded themselves into Linux some time ago. The drm-free public is existent, of course, but not a huge one. And part of it is going to HB now for the Linux. If GOG moves quickly, they still have time to retain the drm-free linux devoteers here; but knowing GOG, they won´t do this in time.
As stated by jamyskis and amok, I think its time to re-focus at the "oldies". GOG should stay with the consistent and well developed indies (that has not been bundled of course), dig more for the oldies, offer Linux versions and extras & soundtracks. I´m strongly towards GOG, and because of that I would love see GOG keeping the pace, not dying at future.

PS.: I did not mention IGS selling multiple platforms (but it´s recent and few know that). The indie scene is too crowed now (by devs and sellers). So it´s time to innovate and distinguish again.
Post edited November 12, 2013 by tokisto
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wizardtypething: Nice to see Prison Architect DRM-free at last; but I think I'll wait for a stable build to be released (ie a beta).
Prison Architect was always DRM-Free. If you buy it directly from the developers site you'll get a key which has to be activated on their site only one time to get access to the download page. The game itself isn't protected with some kind of DRM.

For that price I highly recommend buying Prison Architect. Yes it's called an alpha but italready has so much stuff in it that other developers would call their game a beta in this state.
Post edited November 12, 2013 by Silverhawk170485
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catpower1980: From a developer's point of view, GOG still has got a card to play because it's one of the only (the only one?) online game store who bothers to feature new releases with a proper article, a video on youtube and a release thread in the forum. In terms of exposure/marketing, it's better than to be lost on the steam frontpage for a day and getting angry rants on the game's forum. If Jasper Byrne (Lone Survivor) wasn't featured in an hib, I doubt he would have sold 800.000 copies of his game only with a widget or "lost" in a catalogue.
It's not only proper article, video and forum thread, it's also twitter and facebook, and last week on GOG.
*shamelessly stolen from a PC Gamer reader comment*
Clarification: Humble Store provides 10% of all sales to charity (not just profit). Split is 10% Charity, 75% Creator, 15% Humble Tip.

Knowing this and the publically displayed "$100k to charity" we also know that they have sold over $1million in less than 24 hours.
Just goes to show how much of a driving force the Humble guys have. So let's guesstimate over 100k games sold (seeing how Prison Architect is the only one selling for more than a tenner)? That's pretty impressive.
Post edited November 12, 2013 by mistermumbles
Extremely annoying that the store tab requires a bunch of scripts to be allowed and most importantly cookies to even display its content - which after going through all that trouble turns out to be quite disappointing.

JMich got it right, so why did they even call it a store?
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JMich: Credit goes to amok actually. I was just passing on what he said, though in a hurry thus no source.
NP, credit to amok. Though I prefer the wording of your post - sums it up tight and nicely.
New deals are up. And the ones from yesterday remain as well, it would seem.

EDIT: Somewhat slimmer on DRM-free this time, with just three new additions being so. However, it's pretty nice to get the whole Alan Wake set for $5.99.
Post edited November 12, 2013 by IAmSinistar