What might seem like a good deal is actually quite crap!

The games have no DLCs, EU3 is the incomplete edition (as opposed to Chronicles), even the mega-pack, which costs as much as three Paradox release-date titles, comes without EU4 and with no DLCs!

This is terribly disappointing, expected better from Paradox :((

Vicky 2, HoI 3, CK2... and that's just from the internally developed games. It's disconcerting, really.

paradox own Gamers Gate though, don't they?

So, the general feeling that I am getting from this thread is that, even though these games are currently the cheapest they have EVER been, unless you got that Amazon super deal, and even though I got these games at above the BTA price, I STILL overpaid? I find it hard to believe that these games are that bad without DLC. I mean, why do games get DLC in the first place? Because they deserve them. If I get 1 single hour out of all of these games combined, then they are paid for, in my opinion.

Really, why all the hate? They did not have to do this at all. They could have simply went about their way with life and sold the games at retail price, and people would still have bought them. But they gave us a great gesture, and it seems like we are hating on them more than ever.

Not for some time now.

I do not really know if that statement is really true.
1 - Sure the DRM free community is small and like all humans we are weak, so we occasionally give in and buy the odd DrMediated game. A good game is still a good game and I want to play Hitman and Walking Dead now. I will of course re-buy them DRM free given the chance, even at full price, but right now I have to use Steam.
2 - Vocal? I am not too sure. Yes people who want DRM-free games are noisy here, but are they really that noisy elsewhere? I check Groupees chat, Desura and IGS forums. There is the odd bit, but not really that much.
3 - Sure DRM sales are low, people will buy from where they are happy. For a lot of people Steam and Origin are happy places where they get all the games they want. Yet GOG is still surviving, and many other places sell DRM free games, even Steam have non-Steam needy games.
Even HB sell a lot of their games DRM free, it is just the sales which appear to have moved slowly towards Steam compliance. Steam is cheap and unlike GOG will let ANYBODY create gift codes, so maybe it is just a lot easier for them when doing quick bundles. IR still manage to get mostly DRM free games!

As for the DRM-free revolution. It is much less a revolution and more a movement. Although with me on board it might well be more of a sit in now.

Even if,which I seriously doubt,they are still the majority owner and pull the strings there.

Common courtesy, really. I don't even think it's greed on Paradox's part, just negligence. They already gave away EU3 Chronicles (the actually-complete edition) just under a year ago, and it's also been in Gala, at least; Magicka: Vietnam, too.

Really, anyone who's interested in these games enough to buy the additional expansions, has already done so. Not including them is just hindering the new players. The fact that they didn't even include them in the Big Kahuna pack shows as much.

Anyone played Leviathan Warships? - it's the only thing that really grabs me - cant afford BTA anyways.

What were your thoughts on it?

Apparently the major stock holder is Theodore Bergquist. While he was COE for Paradox some time ago, he is not working for them at all now. So no, Paradox is not the majority owner. There still is ties, off course, these people are old friends, but it is not such a close working relationship anymore as it was some years ago.

So how did he get to own most of gamergate? Does he also own most of Paradox by any chance?

He was a one of the founders of Paradox and it's CEO. It was his and others idea to first set up GG as an outlet to sell Paradox games, but when GG grew and started selling third party games, it was decided that it was best for both parties to split up, and Bergquist started running GG full time. At that point there was (I think) some sort of tradeoffs where Bergquist relinquished his shares in Paradox for the shares in GG.

Yeah, they have nothing to do with each other at all...

and it also shows that Paradox are pulling the strings... if anything else it should be the other way around...

As I said, these people are old friends, but there is no longer a working relationship between GG and Paradox. Especially now that Paradox have established Paradoxplaza as a dedicated Paradox outlet. It is common knowledge that GG grew out of Paradox, and there will always be that relationship between them, but that is all there is.

edit - just as it is wrong to say "GG is Paradox store". It has not been so for many years now.