I wouldn't say they are bad without the DLC. I've only played CK2, and when I bought it I got an amazing deal at Amazon that included CK1 and CK2 with all the DLC that was available at the time. So, I can't say how it is without. My understanding of the major DLC is patches enable the mechanics introduced to everyone, but to play as a Viking for example, you would need the Old Gods DLC.

It's still very playable, much more so than other PDS titles as the general game features are kept in patches, you can play as most western nations for their full experience. Only merchant republic, byzantine empire and muslim nations really need the expansion pack and the earlier and alternate timeline might as well be different scenarios.

Has anyone played Dungeonland? Is it really, really fun? I'm a sucker for Paradox games. They just do a really good job at making a pile of suck, but making it awesome. I don't know how or why, but it's what they do. Anyway, I have all the games that interest me already except Dungeonland.

I was wondering, if anyone knows:

A) can it be 1v1? One guy is the bad guy, one is the good guy?
B) Is it really really fun?
C) Does it have drop-in drop-out multiplayer so you don't need a buddy to play with?

Thanks!

You're kidding. Right?

I paid six dollars, even if I already own Magicka and wasn't all that interested in CK2, but then I downloaded the game's soundtrack and boy, I'm a sucker for orchestral and choral music. I'm loving the soundtrack enough to give the game a shot.

TBH, for GOG.com it would be better to do The Humble Witcher Bundle with only GOG keys provided...

Nope. Before they released Legacy of Rome DLC, you could play Byzantine empire. But it played just as any other country. They released the DLC that really changes the way you control this nation. But to play as Byzantine empire now, you have to buy Legacy of rome DLC.

There is also Republic DLC, but I don't know if you were able to play the reoublics before the DLC, probably not. and sword of islam gives you an opportunity to play as Muslim, but that wasn't avaible before anyway.

But this Byzantine empire thing is pretty shady. It's like you buy some software and then you loose some of the funcionality, because they expanded it, and now you have to pay for it extra.

For me, it is the same reason I haven't bought Rainbow Six or Ghost Recon from GOG. Because they lack the expansion packs. Sure the games are worth something even without, but still.

Think of it this way: if you like the games, you most probably want the missing DLC for them (which will raise the price of the bundle quite a bit). If you don't like the games... well, why did you buy them at all?

I guess this time I am voting also against such "baiting" tactics. This is a bit like the free-to-play model where the game is only "kinda free". This bundle is only "kinda cheap" without the DLC.

I got an impression from it that Paradox simply wants GOG to sell Steam keys for Paradox games, and that's that. No wonder the negotiations are not proceeding.

I am not going to say anything about Kickstarted as I have only broused the pages a few times there. Yet it would make sense for people to be very vocal about both Linux and DRM-free in that situation as they are actually ploughing money into the games development.

Lets face it, if I said to you that I would like you to give me $100 for a stake in my game you would ask what is in it for you. You might well be looking at it and saying "I will get no financial comback, so I want my game for me to use forever, where ever."
So Linux users want a copy they can play right out the gates without any of the extra work that needs to be done sometimes and people who want to play away from the internet or without extra crap-ware on their machines will argue for DRM-free.
People will fight for what they want, and if you ask them for money to do it, expect them to shout even louder.

It's an excellent co-op game... The bots sucked last time I played. You can join other people online, but playing with friends and voice communication is the way to go, IMO.

Anybody?
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/humble_paradox_bundle/post70

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrfHWGdWO6w
Best I could do for you.
It is on Steam, so I am passing up on this. It does look good though.

Cheers guys!
Sadly that video makes it look a little too multiplayer focused for me - not that it matters, I remembered shortly before finding your replies I can't purchase from humble these days as my bank wont allow me to pay via paypal or any of the other options.

Meh, not much of a loss, really. The lack of DLCs really sours the milk on this one, and I don't think Leviathan alone is worth it.