1) You mustn't own the games you want on either of these clients already (duh).

Hey Steam, do I own these games yet?

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You can't talk did ya.

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Oh well.

2) Be an existing human being.

I am a human being..... or am I? *start having existensial crisis* (I could be an otter anyway)

3) ....?

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4) PROFIT!

But it's free.......


I'm in for Steam version of

DeadSpace

Crysis 2



Also that song.... sorry mate but I heard too much awful midis from cheap wedding events and this song reminds me about them.

Oh so this is who everyone's talking about. Hi there. I don't know what you are talking about here. I bought a bundle, I'm only going to use one key per game and see no reason to have duplicates on a second client, so I thought why not give what I have leftover away to someone who might want it that missed out? The Bundle IS no longer available as you can see... I only bought one bundle. The only duplicates there are for Dead Space and Crysis 2 and that's because I already owned those games before I got the bundle. Btw I didn't buy the bundle for the purpose of giving everything away, I DID in fact get it for certain games that I wanted and redeemed everything I didn't own already on the client of my choosing. A simple and straightforward enough answer I think, and I hope for you as well.

Anything else?

May I enter for Mirror's Edge on Steam? Cheers!

Hello there. Thanks for your reply, allow me to explain :)

First, addressing splitting up a bundle and giving away keys:

Humble sells a bundle as "a unit" and it is their wish that you treat it as such. Each bundle is intended for use by 1 individual, and they would like you to not give away any keys from a bundle you have bought.

http://support.humblebundle.com/customer/portal/articles/243221-can-i-sell-give-away-my-keys-
and
http://support.humblebundle.com/customer/portal/articles/243192-if-i-already-have-a-game-s-in-the-bundle-do-i-have-the-ability-to-gift-the-extra-copy-in-the-bundle-

In an earlier thread, gog staff adressed this, advocating "hogging all the keys"
(http://www.gog.com/forum/general/to_giveaway_or_not_to_giveaway/post13), and in a private letter from gog support the term used was "unfair". HB can not stop you, and it just boils down to whether if you respect HB's and GoG's wishes or not.

Second - addressing duplication of licenses. This is a bit more complicated, but to put it very simply - a key is not the same as a license. HB sells you 1 license to use for each game, however they allow you sometimes the choice on how you want to use your single license. This do not mean you get multiple licenses. Personally I think that HB's practice of giving users a choice should be honored, and not abused.

I hope I clarified it a little, please let me know if there is anything else :)

Leftover BUMP

OK so rules are rules are rules but still HB's rules regarding this still make no sense, especially with regards to games already owned. What are we supposed to do with the keys for games we already own, sit on them? Just wait there hoping they'll eventually go away by themselves? And so it is a "unit," but why does that mean we cannot do what we want within legal boundaries with what is contained in that unit? I understand things like creating copies of keys, selling keys, etc. being unethical/illegal but just giving single one-use keys away that you purchased legitimately? And Humble Bundle may be the proprietor of these "units," but the keys themselves are for and from third-party services. For that reason I don't see why Humble Bundle themselves should have a say on what anyone does with anything outside the initial purchase of the bundles besides outlining the blatantly illegal things done with game keys. And what makes this different than any of the other "giveaways" on the site? For instance was it possible that when games like Duke Nukem 3D and Torchlight were offered for free that you could "gift" them a multitude of times (I would imagine that GOG considered this in hindsight and put a strict block on it) to give away after the free sale was over? If not, wouldn't it be also similarly problematic for my RIse of the Triad giveaway (when I preordered the new Rise of the Triad and received the Blake Stone games but an extra of the original RIse of the Triad which I already had)? I don't know what GOG's rules are on that but all I know is no mods locked my thread and I was able to successfully give away my extra copy.

In short, if a GOG mod finds this thread problematic and wants to lock it then so be it. Otherwise I won't be stopping or otherwise altering anything about my giveaway until further notice out of fairness for those participating in this. As much as I want to respect what rules HB has set out at the same time I also really think HB should do a better job of explaining why exactly they do not want you giving away individual keys even in cases when it's a game you already have, why it's unethical, what they are trying to prevent by setting such rules, and browsing their Terms of Service I could not find the section relevant to this matter after trying to decipher so much legalese. It is so very vague to me, and probably others, I'd like to see this issue more clearly laid out.

All I can conclude is that I'm glad that recent CFAA amendment hasn't passed (or has it?) or I could be facing felony charges right about now. :/

I think you don't need to worry too much. It's just Amok being Amok as usual and I don't think he's a mod. Or is there a mod contacting you just recently?

GOG doesn't really wish to unduly interfere in the workings of the forum and would rather we all behave ourselves. And Amok's purpose was mostly to make you aware of these terms and wishes, not sanction you. From that point, the only person you need to convince is yourself. Not a judge, hopefully ;)

I'm in only for Command & Conquer Red Alert 3-Uprising. Thanks for the giveaway.
Also, Double Helix's song you link is pretty odd so far, I don't hate it, but I don't really like a lot either. I think, more so than anything else, their music is interesting because it is so weird.

Steamy Origins BUMP

No. You feel personally disincentivized into making negative effort in understanding them.

You don't own a game. The copyright holder owns a game. You just get a permission (a license) to play it.

With HIB, you buy permissions to play games in sets, or bundles. Permissions are a "yes or no" boolean deal. If you get it twice, thrice, 117 times (hello Alquist), then guess what, nothing happens.

It means redistributing keys is not within legal boundaries. You have purchased a permission to play a game with keys that are intended for your own personal use, not to give them to other people. It's the same reason why you are not allowed to torrent an installer that GOG lets you download to use within your household.

When you "buy a game" thorough a service, be it GOG or HIB or Steam or whatever, you are paying the IP holder for a permission to play that game, the service is an intermediary. Humble Bundle gets to have a say what happens to the keys because they're the one who negotiated a deal with the copyright holders in the first place. And the distribution deal Humble has negotiated with the license holders is that permissions are distributed in bundles.

The outcome where you end up with permissions to play games that you are not interested in (they suck or you already have a permission) is 100% intended. Consider that the recommended price tends to be around $25, and you have the option of reducing and redistributing your payment. If the bundle has repeats or razzies, just divert no money to the respective IP holders.

(I'm going to switch the two sections of your post for the explanation to flow better.)
GOG is a different service, they have a different business model and have evidently negotiated a different deal. Note that the new GOG store automatically adds complimentaly games you don't have to your account when you purchase the main title.

Tradeable GOG gifts are Steam gifts are not "licenses" or "copies" or "games". They are digital tokens that the service can accept in exchange for issuing a license to the person providing the token.

Again, this is the agreement GOG struck with the IP holder. It was (and still is) possible to either buy a household license for Torchlight or GOG's promise to issue a license in the future. For a limited time, the price of the license or promise was $0. You might consider it overgenerous or wasteful on part of the IP holder, but keep in mind that:
(1) pirate copies of GOG games are available
(2) people who actively trade GOG keys are also likely to have been aware of the offer
(3) it was a purely promotional offer to get more people to sign up on GOG, so giving away free stuff was kind of the point.

HIB's business model is a new one, made for the digital age and rooted in "fairness" and "perceived value". They are not a charity giving out free games for "poor" gamers, they are trying to make a living for themselves, the devs, and raise money for actual charities at the same time. That money has to come from the customers.

To that end, they have implemented a set of rules and mechanisms to squeeze the money out of people who are very much aware they can get that stuff for free. The "pay-what-you-want" of Humble is promotion. The money comes when a person goes through the checkout, sees a pitiful $0.5 assigned to the EFF and adjusts the total to something more respectable, and it also comes when you play a bundled game you weren't interested in, think it's awesome, tell all your friends and buy the next one on release.

Breaking and disrespecting Humble's TOS also sends a message that no matter how fair and honest the offer is, gamers will still be license-breaking assholes, which in the eyes of publishers justifies draconic DRM. As a dude at a yesterday festival said, "This fest sucks. Last year, the badges and stickers were free. Ah, those were the days. I just walked in and filled my backpack with the goodies. Come to think of it, maybe that's why..."

There is very little to add to Starmakers post, can just highlight the problematic that a key is not the same as a game license. This bit is confusing, and it is maybe a little illogical, but it is how it works in today's legal system. When you buy a game from HB, you buy a license to play the game, and you may get some keys to activate it on some services. The license belongs to you, and it do not follow the keys, which is in fact only an allowance (or a token, as Starmaker says) to make use of a service to deliver and manage the game. This means that if you are giving your key away to someone who do not have a license for the game, they are allowed to use the service, but not actually allowed to use the game. Using the game is then legally the same area as pirating it, as they are playing an unlicensed copy of a game. Yes, I know this may sound strange, but it is how it works....

Anyway, even though all the legal considerations around these issues are very interesting, what it really boils down to is this: GoG and HB are very clear about how they wishes you to deal with this issue, and it is not very confusing at all - those wishes are very clearly stated. Everything else are just justifications for yourself for breaking the trust which is placed upon you, and the reason why you do not want to honour those wishes. That is only between you and your conscience, as no one is going to make you stop. It is all a matter of trust, really.

Personally, I think that both GoG and HB are two excellent services, and I would for that reason honour the contract I made with them, and uphold their wishes. Though, I have come to realise, through threads like this, that I may have a too old fashioned sense of personal honour and integrity.

Anyway, that was all I wanted to say :)

I am tired and stressed today and the last fucking thing I want to do is further involve myself in what has turned into a fight over digital distribution rights and the technical definitions of such, so, contest closed, the proper people have been notified. You win, LOCK PLEASE.

Another win for Amok. Another loss for all the rest of us.

Amok is like a Justice Lord (not a Justice League Hero, but really a Justice Lord).

Forgot to say, +1 for the OP.