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Posted July 30, 2013
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SimonG: How was that with unrated ( as in not presented) games in Germany. Please, enlighten us. Are they really "free for all".... ?
Unrated movie/game/etc. are equivalent to being on the index. That's really annoying when ordering things on amazon, like the complete 'Allo 'Allo box, which would probably have an age restriction of six in Germany.
Post edited July 30, 2013 by mk47at
Posted July 30, 2013
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Khadgar42: But STEAM is the asshole-company not allowing me to play those games because they don't care if I'm an adult and if I'm entitled to buy the games from Index list A or even buy them from UK to install and them in Germany.

Ergo, it's Steam fault
In 80% of those cases it's either publisher or the law screwing with you. Blaming Steam all the time is mostly "shooting the messenger".

Valve wants you to buy games, and they will take that as far as they can without burning themselves. Ignoring the toothless JuSchG? Sure. Committing a crime? Not so much.
Posted July 30, 2013
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Fictionvision: Someone reselling the keys from the bundle for $44
At least he payed at least $25. And if he finds a sucker... good luck!
Posted July 30, 2013
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SimonG: How was that with unrated ( as in not presented) games in Germany. Please, enlighten us. Are they really "free for all".... ?
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mk47at: Unrated movie/game/etc. are equivalent to being on the index. That's really annoying when ordering things on amazon, like the complete 'Allo 'Allo box, which would probably have an age restriction of six in Germany.
At least it got all those Britney Spears DVDs out of the hands of minors for a few weeks. ;-)
Posted July 30, 2013
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SimonG: How was that with unrated ( as in not presented) games in Germany. Please, enlighten us. Are they really "free for all".... ?
You mean like Recettear or Shadowrun Returns, which as far as the law is concerned, as treated in the same way as Dead Island: Riptide? Technically speaking, no, it is not a 'free for all'. Steam should theoretically be performing conclusive age checks, but as you've stated, they don't bother with such formalities.

The only thing that German law has an influence on at present is the distribution of the physically packaged version of Dead Island: Riptide, as unrated games are treated as per USK 18-rated games.

But you already know this.
Posted July 30, 2013
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SimonG: Steam actually does make a criminal offence by doing this, as they do not have a reliable age verification. They don't really care about hose "youth protection laws", but they sure as hell won't act against the criminal code.
Thank you for the clarification. I guess I was thinking that the age check was made during purchase, not during redemption, but seems like it has to be done during both steps.
Posted July 30, 2013
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mk47at: Unrated movie/game/etc. are equivalent to being on the index. That's really annoying when ordering things on amazon, like the complete 'Allo 'Allo box, which would probably have an age restriction of six in Germany.
No. See my comment above. Unrated is equivalent to a USK/FSK 18 rating, not being on the index.

It's like the way a lot of people assume that "SPIO/JK geprüft" means that the film or game is on the index. It doesn't. The logo only means that they have been reliably informed by an approved body - the "Juristenkommission" - that the game or film does not break the law (although I've never seen this logo on a game).

It's purely circumstantial that a game is refused classification and then indexed. One does not necessarily follow the other.
Post edited July 30, 2013 by jamyskis
Posted July 30, 2013
What a gay Steam only bundle. If this doesnt show Humble has gone over to the dark side, i dont know what does. Sad really.
Posted July 30, 2013
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nijuu: What a gay Steam only bundle. If this doesnt show Humble has gone over to the dark side, i dont know what does. Sad really.
You can always opt to vote with your wallet.
Posted July 30, 2013
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Aver: Pro-tip: It doesn't matter what is your opinion and how good your arguments are, because when you use words like that you end up sounding like angry 12 year old COD player anyway.
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Foxhack: Pro-Pro-tip: Amok is a troll and a lot of us are sick and tired of his constant whining and threadcrapping.

Hell, he's GOG's biggest troll right now and that's saying something.

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I think there's another word that i cant really think of right now :D
Posted July 30, 2013
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nijuu: What a gay Steam only bundle. If this doesnt show Humble has gone over to the dark side, i dont know what does. Sad really.
Rabid anti-fanboys are as bad as rabid fanboys.
Posted July 30, 2013
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nijuu: What a gay Steam only bundle. If this doesnt show Humble has gone over to the dark side, i dont know what does. Sad really.
It is exactly the same as with the THQ bundle. No drm-free, no non-windows, no direct download, all steam.
Posted July 30, 2013
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SimonG: [...]
In 80% of those cases it's either publisher or the law screwing with you. Blaming Steam all the time is mostly "shooting the messenger".

Valve wants you to buy games, and they will take that as far as they can without burning themselves. Ignoring the toothless JuSchG? Sure. Committing a crime? Not so much.
I aknowledge you are firm supporter of Steam, I grant you that. I don't where you got that 80% numbers, but anyway.

Considering that this "messenger" has more than 5 Million users online each day at the same time, that's no longer a mere "messenger" that freaking United Parcel Service Global thing. I believe they have more weight than they actually admit considering the "decisions that only publishers fell"

Now, the above mentioned is all an asumption though.

The problem is that Steam has a monopoly on some games, and when those games happen to be censored or on Index List A things are starting to bother me, because I have no legal of way playing this game in Germany.

Explain to me, why I can't buy a European copy of Titan Quest and play it in Germany?
Why is the German Fallout NV only available as a low violence version?
Why can't I buy Shogun Total War Blood DLC?

Because Steam doesn't care if you are above 18 and doesn't include an optional maturity check.
Is this Steam's fault? Well, I honestly think so.

In other words, if the messengers fails to include a maturity check and refuses to look at my ID
hell yes I shot him






...in his knee-caps...






...just to see him scream.
Posted July 30, 2013
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mk47at: Unrated movie/game/etc. are equivalent to being on the index. That's really annoying when ordering things on amazon, like the complete 'Allo 'Allo box, which would probably have an age restriction of six in Germany.
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jamyskis: No. See my comment above. Unrated is equivalent to a USK/FSK 18 rating, not being on the index.

It's like the way a lot of people assume that "SPIO/JK geprüft" means that the film or game is on the index. It doesn't. The logo only means that they have been reliably informed by an approved body - the "Juristenkommission" - that the game or film does not break the law (although I've never seen this logo on a game).

It's purely circumstantial that a game is refused classification and then indexed. One does not necessarily follow the other.
You're right. I'm too tired for these kinds of discussions at the moment.
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Khadgar42: Why is the German Fallout NV only available as a low violence version?
The ultimate edition is uncut.
Post edited July 30, 2013 by mk47at
Posted July 30, 2013
Actually...

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Khadgar42: Explain to me, why I can't buy a European copy of Titan Quest and play it in Germany?
The disc version is DRM-free, so you can import it and play it in English.

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Khadgar42: Why is the German Fallout NV only available as a low violence version?
The German version is now non-censored.

Just to be on the precise side.
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