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Gundato: Then, if anything, GoG should be THANKING them. They probably gave GoG quite a few sales it would otherwise have never had.

So we basically have a bunch of people angry about GoG, if anything, getting unfair favoritism? Well, that brought a smile to my face.
OK, sorry, but WTF? How did you reach the exact opposite conclusion of virtually everyone here?

GOG already got the pre-orders, whether the bundle came out or not. So what we're talking about is the move that the devs pulled with the bundle.

Customers that pre-ordered but don't know enough to dig into this stuff will only be mad at GOG for this, so it will hurt them in the long run. It makes it look like GOG is ripping people off when they are not.

Those who did not pre-order are not likely to go to GOG for the game since they can beat the average price and get the whole bundle for the price of just Botanicula.

So all around, this was a **** move on the devs part.
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Gundato: Except that it is also a "dickish move" toward their own store (they had pre-orders on their site too, right?)
And to Steam (I assume Steam sells this, if there are keys)
Not sure if Gamersgate or Gamesstop sell it, but it is a "dickish move" to them too.
Does Desura carry this? Does anyone USE Desura for anything other than IndieRoyale bundle purchases?

So what makes GoG so special? People are acting like this is a direct insult: It isn't. It is just the marketing approach they took.
1. No to their own store because they didn't offer pre-orders there. Now you know why was that.
2. Yes, to Steam. It's even worse for them because Steam doesn't even sell the game yet. This isn't the first time a game has had Steam keys and wasn't sold on Steam. Indie developers are taking full advantage of being able to get free Steam keys for their own games and giving them away to please everybody and keeping all the profits. Valve apparently approves but I wonder if they'll keep providing that service for free once everybody starts getting Steam games from anywhere but Steam.
3. GG had a preorder too so yes, it was a dick move to them too.
4. I don't think Desura has this.

So, the developer pulled this stunt while taking advantage of every store that was willing to carry and promote their game for them. This is the GOG forum so people will comment on the GOG preorder, I don't see why you thought otherwise.

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stoicsentry: OK, sorry, but WTF? How did you reach the exact opposite conclusion of virtually everyone here?
You must not know him. He does that a lot, or at least he used to. I thought he left these forums.
Post edited April 19, 2012 by OmegaX
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Gundato: You bought the game at whatever price point you paid. Clearly you feel the game was worth it at that price point, or you would not have purchased it. What is the problem? Did the entertainment:moneys ratio somehow go down because other people are going to enjoy it for cheaper?
This this this.

If you pre-ordered it for $9 then you must have decided that was a good price.
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bazilisek: According to various hints, Wolfire is actually getting the Steam keys very cheap, possibly even for free.
A secret triumvirate against GOG ? ( developer + middle man + Valve )
Post edited April 19, 2012 by ne_zavarj
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Darling_Jimmy: Knee-jerk emotional reactions notwithstanding:

1. Gog should consider revising it's standard contract to include a time-limited fixed price agreement so a publisher cannot offer unfair advantages to other distributors.

2. Strictly from a marketing POV, this can only be disastrous for Amanita. They had a built in audience in anticipation, willing to pay full price (or close to full price.) Why would they essentially give the game away on launch day? Lady Gaga made the same mistake with Born This Way, priced at 99¢ on Amazon at launch. Her sales never recovered.
Sometimes developers make mistakes. It happens. Kind of the same as Recettear being in a 5 games for $5 bundle back at Christmas, when there was still a crapload of people who would've bought Recettear had it gone on sale on it's own for $5 (or even more since it hadn't even got near that then).
Post edited April 19, 2012 by Pheace
Am i missing something here, i tried to find something wrong in his posts (in this topic) and couldn't find anything??

Did the post got deleted or something?

On topic: i feels like a big finger to gog.com to be honest, but to be fair I do not really care about aminata games (only thought machinarium was decent), so this does't really affect me in any way. If it was for something i did care about i would have been a bit angry i think (and it would definitly cross my mind to buy to bundle and a very low price...)
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xxxIndyxxx: Am i missing something here, i tried to find something wrong in his posts (in this topic) and couldn't find anything??

Did the post got deleted or something?

On topic: i feels like a big finger to gog.com to be honest, but to be fair I do not really care about aminata games (only thought machinarium was decent), so this does't really affect me in any way. If it was for something i did care about i would have been a bit angry i think (and it would definitly cross my mind to buy to bundle and a very low price...)
You mean with Roman? He posted it on Anamita's forum.
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SirPrimalform: This this this.

If you pre-ordered it for $9 then you must have decided that was a good price.
Except most people were more pissed that the HIB gave the full soundtrack etc while (at the time) GOG only had 3 tracks (according to the devs FB page GOG will be getting the full soundtrack and the artbook among other things now)
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Gundato: No, Roman threw a temper tantrum. Plain and simple.

Do you approve of the toddler in Walmart who is screaming and crying because his mother won't buy him a stuffed animal? He thinks his mommy is obligated to buy him Jerry the Giraffe. But all he is doing is screaming and crying and acting like a toddler. Of course, it is at least semi-justified when said person is 3 or 4 years old.
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gameon: Would you go up to and taunt/sneer at the toddler. Would you scare him or tell him he's an idiot. Maybe get a group of people to humiliate and intimidate him?

I thought not. So dont have a go at roman either. He made a mistake, but lets not hate him for it!
And, as I tried to politely mention: Roman is not 3 or 4 years old (if he was, pretty sure GoG would have to legally close his account since they are taking information?).

Stuff you can get away as a kid are not the same things you can get away with as an adult. Or even a slightly older kid.
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xxxIndyxxx: Am i missing something here, i tried to find something wrong in his posts (in this topic) and couldn't find anything??

Did the post got deleted or something?

On topic: i feels like a big finger to gog.com to be honest, but to be fair I do not really care about aminata games (only thought machinarium was decent), so this does't really affect me in any way. If it was for something i did care about i would have been a bit angry i think (and it would definitly cross my mind to buy to bundle and a very low price...)
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QC: You mean with Roman? He posted it on Anamita's forum.
Yes sorry that was indeed what i meant. Okay thanks for clearing that up.
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Gundato: Then, if anything, GoG should be THANKING them. They probably gave GoG quite a few sales it would otherwise have never had.

So we basically have a bunch of people angry about GoG, if anything, getting unfair favoritism? Well, that brought a smile to my face.
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Gremmi: The vast majority of people wait until release to purchase. Pre-ordering guaranteed GOG a handful of sales, but the majority of sales would have come in today or the next couple of days. Now, because of the timing of the bundle, I'm pretty sure they'll see a huge reduction in that.

The more conspiratorial amongst us may even suggest this was a move to devalue GOG so the Humble Indie Store can launch (which it's rumoured to be doing imminently).
Or, you know, the people who buy AFTER the sale is over. There ARE sales on Steam when it is not December, the last week of November, or July...

So GoG benefits from the preorder sales (meager or not, that is still more than most other stores would get).
If we are assuming that NOBODY will ever purchase again: GoG got more sales than Steam.
If we are assuming that people will purchase again later: GoG is no worse off than any other store, and still benefits from the early bump.

As for those sales from the humble bundle: Yeah, Humble Indie Store and the devs benefit from that. Just like how Valve doesn't benefit from a GoG sale and CD Projekt doesn't benefit from a Steam sale. Or are you saying they should fix the prices so that NOBODY can ever have a discount (think Apple recently got yelled at for that :p)?
Post edited April 19, 2012 by Gundato
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Darling_Jimmy: Knee-jerk emotional reactions notwithstanding:

1. Gog should consider revising it's standard contract to include a time-limited fixed price agreement so a publisher cannot offer unfair advantages to other distributors.

2. Strictly from a marketing POV, this can only be disastrous for Amanita. They had a built in audience in anticipation, willing to pay full price (or close to full price.) Why would they essentially give the game away on launch day? Lady Gaga made the same mistake with Born This Way, priced at 99¢ on Amazon at launch. Her sales never recovered.
1.) GOG is going to have an awfully hard time getting publishers to sign on if you require them to make deals like that. As far as I know, none of the other download services require that.

2.) I'm not sure if that point is sarcasm or what, because "Born This Way" moved eight million copies in about six months. That's both successful and not too far away from her previous albums.
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Gundato: You bought the game at whatever price point you paid. Clearly you feel the game was worth it at that price point, or you would not have purchased it. What is the problem? Did the entertainment:moneys ratio somehow go down because other people are going to enjoy it for cheaper?
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SirPrimalform: This this this.

If you pre-ordered it for $9 then you must have decided that was a good price.
Unfortunately this only applies to the preorder. Lots and lots of people don't actually do preorders, but instead buy in the first week or to, and that means that ALL of those people are going to buy it from HB instead of from GOG. And once the bundle is over, nobody is ever going to want to pay full price for this game again, because on release day it was super-cheap. It may not be bad for the individual buyer, but it's bad for GOG, and Amanita HAD to have known it was bad for GOG, which is why they kept it a secret.

It seems to me like they were just using GOG as a preorder venue, and past release date were just planning on giving them the finger.
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SirPrimalform: This this this.

If you pre-ordered it for $9 then you must have decided that was a good price.
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bevinator: Unfortunately this only applies to the preorder. Lots and lots of people don't actually do preorders, but instead buy in the first week or to, and that means that ALL of those people are going to buy it from HB instead of from GOG. And once the bundle is over, nobody is ever going to want to pay full price for this game again, because on release day it was super-cheap. It may not be bad for the individual buyer, but it's bad for GOG, and Amanita HAD to have known it was bad for GOG, which is why they kept it a secret.

It seems to me like they were just using GOG as a preorder venue, and past release date were just planning on giving them the finger.
Or they just wait for a sale. GoG will probably have it for 5 or 6 bucks during a sale (if not less). Steam will probably have it for 2 or 3 bucks (because they are Steam and Steam are KAH-RAZY!!!!).

So, as I said: If you already bought the game, you paid what you feel it is worth. Sales shouldn't change that, otherwise a lot of my favorite games are now garbage, and them be fighting words.
I'll say this about Roman's tirade on the Amanita forums - while I don't endorse his use of foul language***, Amanita had to see this coming. If they don't then they're idiots. Plain and simple.

You don't pull a move like this and then have people knocking at your door to offer you tea and crumpets. Duh. If Jakub (or whatever his name happens to be) doesn't want to be called a jackass, may I suggest he stop acting like one?


*** = except on Bioware forums.