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Posted June 29, 2013
I mean ancient games on GOG sauce on ancient computer that on times was modern.

I have, at moment, 1.3 Ghz Celeron with geforce 4 mmx440 to use so i had to seek some ancient games and GOG seemed to be a good choice. Or is it? NO! Come on, 1998 game Darkstone need 1.8 Ghz system to run smoothly, Red Baron 3d needs 1 ghz as minimum and so on.

Why your ancient games are unplayable on machine that was sci-fi on times when those games came out?

PS: I was forced to borrow my bro original Thief 2 CD-s to play this game smoothly because GOG one had terrible frame rate.
Post edited June 29, 2013 by Sips
Posted June 29, 2013
I think almost all of them should work. BTW, dunno if you played Darkstone recently but... It aged horribly :/
Posted June 29, 2013
I wrote earlier:

"Is their any settings that makes them run on old systems like they originally should?

Also, those games are not games that requires DosBox, but i suspect they are using some kind of emulation to make them run on win7 and so. Guess it makes them so slow...Maybe this emulation can be turned off? Thief 2 , as example, runs well on XP compatible with win98."

Strange that some peoples are now saying the basically the very same to me. Do you read earlier posts before making your own post?
Post edited June 30, 2013 by Sips
Posted June 29, 2013
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Sips: Good games hardly age, but problem is that GOG games demand systems that are incredible high for so old games. Thief 2 frame rate was low even on 800x600 resolution. (Vanilla game ran 1024x768 super smoothly, like it should do on 1.3ghz super system...)

Also their system recommendations are usually beyond my computer power.

Is their any settings that makes them run on old systems like they originally should?
To be honest, I always wondered about this... I have a friend that has a similar rig like yours, and he plays games that need 1.4 or 1.8 GHZ to run, according to GOG, without any problems. So I dunno what to say about that :/ He goes along only by the initial requirements the game had when they came out, and they all work just fine. Maybe take a dive and buy one of them ?
Posted June 29, 2013
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Sips: PS: I was forced to borrow my bro original Thief 2 CD-s to play this game smoothly because GOG one had terrible frame rate.
Thief 2 here uses NewDark, an unofficial update that makes some changes but if I recall right you can disable most graphical/gameplay in cam_ext.cfg, specifically 8xAA that for some stupid reason is set to default (should be 0 IMO).
Posted June 29, 2013
Also, Dosbox is rather system-intense (as is practically all emulation), which means that even DOS games might end up with high system requirements. GOG's listed requirements do seem to be a bit on the high side from time to time, but I guess they want to be on the safe side
Posted June 29, 2013
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AFnord: Also, Dosbox is rather system-intense (as is practically all emulation), which means that even DOS games might end up with high system requirements. GOG's listed requirements do seem to be a bit on the high side from time to time, but I guess they want to be on the safe side
Colonization says it needs a 1.8 GHZ to run... I'm pretty sure it doesn't , and he'll be able to run it on his rig quite right :P
Posted June 29, 2013
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AFnord: Also, Dosbox is rather system-intense (as is practically all emulation), which means that even DOS games might end up with high system requirements. GOG's listed requirements do seem to be a bit on the high side from time to time, but I guess they want to be on the safe side
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Licurg: Colonization says it needs a 1.8 GHZ to run... I'm pretty sure it doesn't , and he'll be able to run it on his rig quite right :P
I would guess that Colonizaiton would work well, but I remember getting some slowdown in Crusader: No Remorse on my old 2.2ghz computer (that was by the way with an older version of dosbox), and I'm actually having issues with Redguard on this computer.
Posted June 29, 2013
An older thread: http://www.gog.com/forum/general/makin_ancient_games_run_good
Posted June 29, 2013
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Licurg: To be honest, I always wondered about this... I have a friend that has a similar rig like yours, and he plays games that need 1.4 or 1.8 GHZ to run, according to GOG, without any problems. So I dunno what to say about that :/ He goes along only by the initial requirements the game had when they came out, and they all work just fine. Maybe take a dive and buy one of them ?
I'm just taking a guess here, but I'd say GoG (or the publisher?) set the minum requirements higher on purpose to make support easier by limiting the amout of amchines they will support. Remember, if your machine meets the requirements, the company has to guarantee the game will run properly. If a game runs on less processing power that's great for you, but if it doesn't... well, you have been warned.

It's the same with runnign games on OS X or Linux with DOSBox or Wine, it may work great out of the box, but GoG cannot officially support it. If a game works in Wine that's great, but if it doesn't there is no one i could complain to.
Posted June 29, 2013
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HiPhish: I'm just taking a guess here, but I'd say GoG (or the publisher?) set the minum requirements higher on purpose to make support easier by limiting the amout of amchines they will support. Remember, if your machine meets the requirements, the company has to guarantee the game will run properly. If a game runs on less processing power that's great for you, but if it doesn't... well, you have been warned.

It's the same with runnign games on OS X or Linux with DOSBox or Wine, it may work great out of the box, but GoG cannot officially support it. If a game works in Wine that's great, but if it doesn't there is no one i could complain to.
That could be it, at least for some of the games. After all, GOG says "Classic games made to work on modern systems", says nothing about older systems :P
Posted June 29, 2013
If the computer is really that old I suggest to install MS-DOS.

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Posted June 29, 2013
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Sips: I mean ancient games on GOG sauce on ancient computer that on times was modern.

I have, at moment, 1.3 Ghz Celeron with geforce 4 mmx440 to use so i had to seek some ancient games and GOG seemed to be a good choice. Or is it? NO! Come on, 1998 game Darkstone need 1.8 Ghz system to run smoothly, Red Baron 3d needs 1 ghz as minimum and so on.

Why your ancient games are unplayable on machine that was sci-fi on times when those games came out?

PS: I was forced to borrow my bro original Thief 2 CD-s to play this game smoothly because GOG one had terrible frame rate.
No offense intended, but it's not my belief that a 1.3 ghz *Celeron* was *ever* a component of a "modern" system. Same thing for the MX440. The Geforce 4 MX line was not a true Geforce 4 card. Heck, it wasn't even as powerful as a Geforce 3. It was essentially a Geforce 2 with higher bandwidth.

GOG's use of NewDark on Thief 2 was already mentioned, but I think a big problem is that the system really isn't that hot in the first place. Celeron's were never very good processor's, particularly back then, and the Geforce 4 MX line was a marketing rip-off.
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Posted June 30, 2013
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Sips: I mean ancient games on GOG sauce on ancient computer that on times was modern.

I have, at moment, 1.3 Ghz Celeron with geforce 4 mmx440 to use so i had to seek some ancient games and GOG seemed to be a good choice. Or is it? NO! Come on, 1998 game Darkstone need 1.8 Ghz system to run smoothly, Red Baron 3d needs 1 ghz as minimum and so on.

Why your ancient games are unplayable on machine that was sci-fi on times when those games came out?

PS: I was forced to borrow my bro original Thief 2 CD-s to play this game smoothly because GOG one had terrible frame rate.
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yyahoo: No offense intended, but it's not my belief that a 1.3 ghz *Celeron* was *ever* a component of a "modern" system. Same thing for the MX440. The Geforce 4 MX line was not a true Geforce 4 card. Heck, it wasn't even as powerful as a Geforce 3. It was essentially a Geforce 2 with higher bandwidth.

GOG's use of NewDark on Thief 2 was already mentioned, but I think a big problem is that the system really isn't that hot in the first place. Celeron's were never very good processor's, particularly back then, and the Geforce 4 MX line was a marketing rip-off.
Compared games like Darkstone, Red Baron3d, Thief 2 and some else my rig is not only modern but sci-fi - it didn't existed on time those games came out. They were meant to run on MUCH worse systems.

You are NOT logical!

PS: Read my earlier posts please, i already explained this!
Post edited June 30, 2013 by Sips
Posted June 30, 2013
99% of things I want to play seem to work fine, either through Dosbox or with custom mods and installers people have made (like for Blade Runner).

For the rare game that refuses to work on modern systems, like Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine, I will wait for a solid WinBox.
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