It seems that you're using an outdated browser. Some things may not work as they should (or don't work at all).
We suggest you upgrade newer and better browser like: Chrome, Firefox, Internet Explorer or Opera

×
avatar
tinyE: I can't imagine SW goes over too well in the U.K. All the bad guys have english accents.
Off topic, but what you said reminded me of what Eddie Izzard said in "dress to kill":

The death star, just full of British actors opening doors going "oh, I, oh...."
"What is it lieutenant Sebastian?"
"Its just the rebels sir. They 're here."
"My gods man! Do they want tea?"
"No I think they're on to something rather more than that sir. I don't know what it is, but they've brought a flag."
avatar
Perscienter: KotOR is just below great. It would be working really well, if they sorted out all the inconsistencies.

It crashes regularly between regions or when I set up droids no matter the settings. The AI and path-finding are dumb. Characters regularly lack behind, though you can only take two with you, without a proper explanation, by the way. Don't use corners in fights, the AI can't handle it. Other bugs occur regularly, like losing your cloak ability after loading a save-game. In one of the first boss fights, you could abuse a faulty design of the environment and stay safe in a corner where the boss couldn't catch you. It was also completely immune to laser fire and didn't try to attack the targets, which were reachable. Again, the AI fails.

You don't have a lot of freedom in your decisions. First of all, all 'bad' decisions are stupidly childish. You can't sabotage your allies or opponents, rip them off or torture them or anything more delicate. No, usually you could kill them. Only the 'good' decisions offer lots of variability and are differentiated. If you do make a 'bad' decision' usually another NPC follower steps in and just stops you, so your light/dark bar is lowered, but your choice does have barely another effect. 'Bad' decisions are also not lucrative. You could sell something to the market for 1000 credits at a point where you already own several k. So what's the point? Dialogue, like in other RPGs can also repeat endlessly and characters just act the same and the same and the same all along.

A part of the controls can't be configured, thanks to consoles I guess.

You can't command droids to a location. They just use their given paths. It would help tremendously to be able to take them with you. I already mentioned the two NPCs, which doesn't make sense. Some NPCs have tight bounds and lived together a life. It can happen that you just cut their bound and one of them stays behind in the apartment.

The alien talk is annoying. I don't why they separated aliens and humans at all. Shouldn't humans be alien in a SW world, too? Usually aliens are scum or outcasts and humans are characters. That's bad writing.

Apart from all of these issues it's a good straight-forward Action RPG with a pause function. Just definitely not even remotely the best RPG.
avatar
tinyE: I'm confused; a few questions if you don't mind.
Do you have an updated version? Occasionally I've had people lag behind but it's actually pretty rare. And I've NEVER had a crash.
And I'm a little confused about "set up droids". I play it constantly and I don't remember that. Do you mean reprogramming droids? I only ever do that second hand. I solve the problem (puzzle) 1st and get XP. THEN I boot up the droid and guess what, MORE XP. At that point it doesn't matter where it goes, you don't need it anymore.
Cloaking? Cloaking is overrated. When you actually need to be stealth to accomplish something the game allows you to do so without a cloaking belt. Piss on cloaking! Spend you cash on something better like a better weapon.
Lastly, I've played as pure good, pure evil, and inbetween and I think all the choices keep the game VERY open. It just requires you do things differently. And if someone in your party tries to stop you from being mean then keep them out of your party, or try harder to talk them down. Jedi in your group can be talked down but everyone else can if you keep at them.
The version is 1.03.514077, the up-to-date version on Steam (XP, 32-bit, old PC). I repaired one droid in the Black Vulcar Main Base and set it to patrol. Even without shield or weapons upgrades, it was able to do decent damage while tanking quite a lot for me. KotOR crashed once when repairing a droid. It usually crashes every 20 minutes when entering another region. They are very common.

There are also many other people which experience crashes in the forum. Is this a Steam-exclusive problem?

http://steamcommunity.com/app/32370/discussions/0/#

avatar
Perscienter: The alien talk is annoying. I don't why they separated aliens and humans at all. Shouldn't humans be alien in a SW world, too? Usually aliens are scum or outcasts and humans are characters. That's bad writing.
avatar
F4LL0UT: As much as I dislike the game, personally I appreciate the alien talk - after all, it's supposed to seem alien to you, not the characters who IIRC don't seem to have any problems understanding it, at least in the common cases. And that humans and the English language dominate the Star Wars universe has pretty much always been the case. Even in those scenes and scenarios where people are a minority the "alien majority" consists of many different races unless of course we're talking about a certain race's homeworld like Kashyyk where you and all your buddies are outcasts. So I really can't complain about KotOR's way of presenting alien races and alien language etc..
They've put a lot of effort into these languages. It's definitely well done. It's so well done, that when I'm finished with some really nasty real world problem under time pressure and turn KotOR on I'm asking myself what the heck I'm doing there. For SW fans it must be a boon. I just think humans are over-represented and overly important. Aliens are mainly gang-members.
avatar
F4LL0UT: That's just odd. I've played the game on three different systems over the years and not ever did I encounter major technical issues. I have no idea what's up there.
avatar
grviper: There's that recent updated re-release of KotOR 1 and 2. I don't know if the original build is that fucked up, but a nocd based on that particular version is unstable. It crashes everywhere, if you can get the game running at all. At the same time the final original patch version is perfect, if treated with imagecfg.
Yes, the collection which was re-released with Vista / 7 support is known to have many issues.



Regarding the AI, I can't rely on my followers. For instance, they like to trigger mines when enemies are in front of them and the mine in between. I have to do a lot of baby-sitting. Sometimes they pursue enemies, which are behind obstacles and the pathfinding sends them the other way around through a big group of enemies. There are many illogical faults like Rakghouls just poisoning you, never infecting you. Hostile mines are triggered by any one else except your own group. The starting sequence has no time limit I guess, though it is supposed to be a big battle.
avatar
Perscienter: Yes, the collection which was re-released with Vista / 7 support is known to have many issues.
Steam build might be based on that. I did play through Steam KotOR 2 using an old nocd, and had a stable run of KotOR 1, with similar files, too. Win XP, 32-bit.
Of course, after you replace the exe, you won't get your playing time tracked by Steam.
I used to have A LOT of trouble with my team running into mines. Easy enough solution; as soon as you see one, pick whatever party member you have that can defuse it, and then click 'solo mode'. That way you can go get the mine, take it, resell it, and your stupid compatriots don't go walking into it.
I realize that I'm a little late to the party.
KotOR has, quite possibly, the best Star Wars storyline period. The last quarter of the game is filled with edge-of-your-seat plot twists. The graphics are hardly cutting edge, but I enjoyed the skill system and the pause/queue next 3 actions for each character setup (it can be played without pausing, but this is how I prefered it). It's worth 2 playthroughs, one as dark side and one as light side. It might be worth playing through as a non-force user as well, although I never tried.

The deal is amazing, but alas has passed.
avatar
fisk0: I bought it on a sale a few months ago, haven't played much of it, but I was kind of disappointed with it considering just how much praise it has gotten.

Can't say much about the writing as I haven't gotten very far, but it is very clearly a console port, and not a particularly good one at that. The controls and UI are very awkward, and for some reason, if you've killed 3 people and want to loot them, you have to do it in the order you killed them, going through it in your desired order does not work, as the option to loot the others does not appear until you've looted the first corpse.

Such strange quirks kind of killed my interest in that, especially since I'm not that much of a Star Wars fan either.

I wouldn't say you would go wrong with it for 2.50 though, even though it's closest comparison would be Mass Effect. I think it might be a bit more action oriented than ME, but a lot clunkier in it's controls.
Actually, it's a very good console port.
It's got HK 47, worth the price of admission alone, just get the game already! :)
avatar
F1ach: It's got HK 47, worth the price of admission alone, just get the game already! :)
If the meatbag doesn't purchase, do I have permission to blast him master?
Attachments:
meatbag.jpg (57 Kb)
Post edited January 19, 2013 by tinyE
avatar
F1ach: It's got HK 47, worth the price of admission alone, just get the game already! :)
avatar
tinyE: If the meatbag doesn't purchase, do I have permission to blast him master?
Permission granted :)
avatar
Perscienter: Yes, the collection which was re-released with Vista / 7 support is known to have many issues.
avatar
grviper: Steam build might be based on that. I did play through Steam KotOR 2 using an old nocd, and had a stable run of KotOR 1, with similar files, too. Win XP, 32-bit.
Of course, after you replace the exe, you won't get your playing time tracked by Steam.
It's not the collection. I usually don't use Steam's online mode either. Certain files didn't remove the crashes. Auto-save has to be sufficient.
It's great
Honestly, KOTOR was one of my favorite games and by far my favorite xbox game. It was also the only xbox game I liked enough to beat it, lol.