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First of all: Good morning people of this forum! I've been around here for quite a while (931 days to be specific) but so far you guys seemed to be doing alright without me posting so I haven't. Just now I've decided to do so anyway, so, ah, here I am!

Just like for probably quite a few people around here my personal golden age of gaming was around the mid-late 90's. Since then I've fallen behind the curve more and more mostly due to not having a capable desktop and maybe a bit because of more "classic" game design preferences. That said, my ancient laptop died last week and I finally decided to build my first gaming PC in over a decade. Happy to say I managed to put it together without problems yesterday and boy is that thing snappy compared to what I'm used to. I might even finally be able to play some of them AAA games people are talking about on the streets!

Which brings me to my questions, both regarding DRM and other crap that might infect my pristine new PC.

1 .Steamworks seems to be one of the better DRM options out there. I know not every game on Steam uses Steamworks, but does any game on Steam use any other form of DRM on top of that?

2. What about all these F2P games? Is there any way to see whether or not it's possible to remove them completely once I'm done with them or if they crap all over my system? Maybe a website that keeps track of stuff like that?
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isis12: First of all: Good morning people of this forum! I've been around here for quite a while (931 days to be specific) but so far you guys seemed to be doing alright without me posting so I haven't. Just now I've decided to do so anyway, so, ah, here I am!

Just like for probably quite a few people around here my personal golden age of gaming was around the mid-late 90's. Since then I've fallen behind the curve more and more mostly due to not having a capable desktop and maybe a bit because of more "classic" game design preferences. That said, my ancient laptop died last week and I finally decided to build my first gaming PC in over a decade. Happy to say I managed to put it together without problems yesterday and boy is that thing snappy compared to what I'm used to. I might even finally be able to play some of them AAA games people are talking about on the streets!

Which brings me to my questions, both regarding DRM and other crap that might infect my pristine new PC.

1 .Steamworks seems to be one of the better DRM options out there. I know not every game on Steam uses Steamworks, but does any game on Steam use any other form of DRM on top of that?

2. What about all these F2P games? Is there any way to see whether or not it's possible to remove them completely once I'm done with them or if they crap all over my system? Maybe a website that keeps track of stuff like that?
1. Yes. For example, I believe Arkham City has Securom and Games for Windows Live DRMs on top of it. Max Payne 3 has GFWL and Rockstar Social Club or whatever: It took me several tries to even get the game to start. Assassin's Creed III has Uplay crap. It all depends on the game, but in general: yes, they are stacking the DRMs.

2. Can't say I'm an expert on this, but I would believe the answer is yes, you can remove them completely. Unlike bought games, they even get removed from the Games Library, which is a big plus. I'd hate to have crap like Spiral Knights still in there.
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isis12: 1 .Steamworks seems to be one of the better DRM options out there. I know not every game on Steam uses Steamworks, but does any game on Steam use any other form of DRM on top of that?
Some do. Sometimes it's mentioned on Steam's page for the game, sometimes it's not. This site tracks third-party DRM used on Steam games (just Ctrl+F for at game you're thinking of buying).
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isis12: 2. What about all these F2P games? Is there any way to see whether or not it's possible to remove them completely once I'm done with them or if they crap all over my system? Maybe a website that keeps track of stuff like that?
You'll basically just have to search for it on a game by game basis. As far as I know there's no comprehensive list of the DRM used in games (there used to be a site that kept a pretty good list, but they decided to sell out several years ago and start partnering with DRM vendors, and that list disappeared mighty quick).
A lot of steam games have extra drm, especially the relatively newer big budget games . I assume they have extra drm until somebody points out that it's been removed
Post edited February 09, 2013 by CaptainGyro
Meh, not exactly what I wanted to hear but thanks for the info all of you. Looks like I might not play too many new games after all...

There really should be a legal requirement to have a disclaimer about any form of DRM used. They can slap on anything they want, it's their game, but at least give me the necessary information to make an informed decision without having to search all over the internet for it.
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isis12: I know not every game on Steam uses Steamworks, but does any game on Steam use any other form of DRM on top of that?
http://www.drmdatabase.net/
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isis12: Looks like I might not play too many new games after all...
There's always GOG though! :) Some newer games here as well, if you're interested in them. Also, indie titles rarely if ever have any DRM other than Steamworks.