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GameRager: Read my post above yours to see how to disabled autopatching.
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Zenman12: Is this a permanent fix?

Or is it temp?
It disables patching on whatever games you set it on permanently. Although as I said then you won't get any updates so it's a double edged sword.
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Zenman12: Skyrim patches have not been good so I hear
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MobiusArcher: Thats what I hear all the time too, but its not true. Some more rather minor bugs were introduced in one of the patches, but the next patch fixed them up. People are still bitter about one of the patches breaking the 4gb fix, but that was remedied by modders right quick. At this point your far better playing that game with the patches.
I'm don't do mods. Simply because I don't know much about it.

I'm old school.

You pop that sucker in (or it is downloaded like here).

You play.

But hey, maybe I can learn. I heard quite different. GAME breaking bugs. That is one reason I'm concerned about auto updates. That was somewhat reassuring though. Thanks.

P.S. God I wish this was the 90s back in the old days where I made fire with ma bare hands...
As I and others said above, though, it's not the patches you need to worry about but whether Steam will allow you to play your games or not on a give day. If the servers are down for "maintenance" you must wait for some games for them to come back up in order to validate your games and play them. And I myself am having the infamous game is not available currently error where one of my games won't even load when I click it. The rest work fine though but it is annoying.
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SirPrimalform: I believe the "I don't care if you have the disc, I'm downloading the whole game anyway. So there!" problem still exists. Not sure if the offline mode problems have been fixed but I hear about them a bit less now. I'm not really a regular user of Steam though (I've cracked the few games I've bought there), so wait for more definitive answers.
Yes. And even though I read the FAQ for how to solve the issue it seems pretty complicated in that you have to know what your file is called if I'm not mistaken. Honestly, I suck at this type of stuff.

Hitting the computer is what I use as a remedy for all problems (I kid).
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supercoolandrew: hi,

Steam is a decent service and improved greatly from the early years, and it offers the benefits of convenience in exchange for lost of control over your game. The offline mode is spotty for some people and is unlikely to be fixed by Valve if you're having problems with the offline mode. Games automatically update itself, which is considered to be a benefit for most steam fans due to convenience but can be rather annoying if you want to stay at a particular build of the game. You can manually tell steam to not update a particular, but sometimes it would just ignore your settings. If you're planning on using the built in benefits on steam, the steam service should provide for a net benefit toward your enjoyment of the game. If you're not using the steam features, then its just another drm with unlimited installs.
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Zenman12: Ignore your settings?

That is quiet weird and disturbing...

Are the setting just for show?

Can someone go into more DETAIL about this?
Well, my Skyrim game decided to update itself some mysterious reason even though I disabled the autoupdate feature. I don't think its a widespread problem on steam, and it might have something to do with it being a steamwork game.
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GameRager: As I and others said above, though, it's not the patches you need to worry about but whether Steam will allow you to play your games or not on a give day. If the servers are down for "maintenance" you must wait for some games for them to come back up in order to validate your games and play them. And I myself am having the infamous game is not available currently error where one of my games won't even load when I click it. The rest work fine though but it is annoying.
Doesn't offline mode (if it decides not to be "iffy") supposed to remedy this?

In your opinion, how frequent is the maintenance thing?
If your options are to play Skyrim on Steam, or don't play Skyrim at all, then I would use steam. You don't need to download the full game on that. It mostly installs off of the disk. It did download a little bit after I installed it, so perhaps it automatically downloads whatever patches are available right off the bat. The game is sort of buggy right now. At one point I did even run into a main plot quest that was broken fror me, and had to use a fix to get past it. You will run into bugs with this game. If it worries you, then wait for more patches. Don't refuse to download them thinking it will make there be fewer bugs.
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Zenman12: Ignore your settings?

That is quiet weird and disturbing...

Are the setting just for show?

Can someone go into more DETAIL about this?
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supercoolandrew: Well, my Skyrim game decided to update itself some mysterious reason even though I disabled the autoupdate feature. I don't think its a widespread problem on steam, and it might have something to do with it being a steamwork game.
Yes someone else said that autoupdate feature is perm. Guess it is subjective. Woo hoo! I'm excited! I get to find out!
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MobiusArcher: If your options are to play Skyrim on Steam, or don't play Skyrim at all, then I would use steam. You don't need to download the full game on that. It mostly installs off of the disk. It did download a little bit after I installed it, so perhaps it automatically downloads whatever patches are available right off the bat. The game is sort of buggy right now. At one point I did even run into a main plot quest that was broken fror me, and had to use a fix to get past it. You will run into bugs with this game. If it worries you, then wait for more patches. Don't refuse to download them thinking it will make there be fewer bugs.
Well I heard people say the default was better as the patches introduce more bugs?
Post edited December 26, 2011 by Zenman12
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GameRager: As I and others said above, though, it's not the patches you need to worry about but whether Steam will allow you to play your games or not on a give day. If the servers are down for "maintenance" you must wait for some games for them to come back up in order to validate your games and play them. And I myself am having the infamous game is not available currently error where one of my games won't even load when I click it. The rest work fine though but it is annoying.
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Zenman12: Doesn't offline mode (if it decides not to be "iffy") supposed to remedy this?

In your opinion, how frequent is the maintenance thing?
I think you have to reset it to online mode every 3 weeks or so.

In any case, the autopatching is good and bad, it is bad only if the devs abandon the thing and/or refuse to let steam have the patches. The autopatcher HAS messed up things like Dungeons of Dredmor (the second to last patch introduced a nasty recurrent teleport bug that messed up many save files, but then again, Dredmor is a roguelike, and characters are pretty much disposable on that), but the devs are very active, and they provided a hotfix within days.

It does get annoying with heavily developed games, as I mentioned. TF2 downloads huge patches weekly, and it seems like Dungeon Defenders LOVES to download patches ranging from 100 to 800 megs daily.

Hell, IIRC there was a day where it was patched THREE TIMES. Again, it is not a problem with Steam, but with the devs, and with the nature of certain games where they are patched a lot more than what one would expect.
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supercoolandrew: Well, my Skyrim game decided to update itself some mysterious reason even though I disabled the autoupdate feature. I don't think its a widespread problem on steam, and it might have something to do with it being a steamwork game.
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Zenman12: Yes someone else said that autoupdate feature is perm. Guess it is subjective. Woo hoo! I'm excited! I get to find out!
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MobiusArcher: If your options are to play Skyrim on Steam, or don't play Skyrim at all, then I would use steam. You don't need to download the full game on that. It mostly installs off of the disk. It did download a little bit after I installed it, so perhaps it automatically downloads whatever patches are available right off the bat. The game is sort of buggy right now. At one point I did even run into a main plot quest that was broken fror me, and had to use a fix to get past it. You will run into bugs with this game. If it worries you, then wait for more patches. Don't refuse to download them thinking it will make there be fewer bugs.
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Zenman12: Well I heard people say the default was better as the patches introduce more bugs?
Yeah, new patches can mess up things, as it has happened both in Skyrim AND a Dredmor, but the devs are active fixing those.
Post edited December 26, 2011 by Luisfius
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Zenman12: Well I heard people say the default was better as the patches introduce more bugs?
That may have been true with 1.2, but 1.3 fixed that up. At this point 1.3 is better than no patches. Its still buggy, but its less buggy than before.
And it somehow runs and looks better than Oblivion. And is more stable. Damn.
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GameRager: As I and others said above, though, it's not the patches you need to worry about but whether Steam will allow you to play your games or not on a give day. If the servers are down for "maintenance" you must wait for some games for them to come back up in order to validate your games and play them. And I myself am having the infamous game is not available currently error where one of my games won't even load when I click it. The rest work fine though but it is annoying.
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Zenman12: Doesn't offline mode (if it decides not to be "iffy") supposed to remedy this?

In your opinion, how frequent is the maintenance thing?
Maintenance happens whenever Valve decides to do it, and can range from planned downtime which they announce beforehand to server crashes of either part(like the store going down and not the game servers, or vice versa) or all of the client's features.
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Zenman12: Well I heard people say the default was better as the patches introduce more bugs?
It's not just Steam games though...games throughout history have had occasional bugs introduced in patches....usually though these get fixed right away in later hotfixes and patches. Usually after a good number of patches though the game becomes a much better and more stable product than the original.
Post edited December 26, 2011 by GameRager
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Zenman12: Snip
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GameRager: Snip
FYI, you cannot disable auto patching. You can *delay* patching until when you go to a launch a game, but that's as much as you can do these days. If a patch is released on Steam, you're going to have to download it even if you don't want it.

You may be able to void that by going into offline mode or physically removing your net connection. But none of the patching settings in Steam is going to permanently stop you from getting future patches.

Further, when you first install it, you will have no choice in installing all currently available patches, those are forced on you.
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GameRager: Snip
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bansama: FYI, you cannot disable auto patching. You can *delay* patching until when you go to a launch a game, but that's as much as you can do these days. If a patch is released on Steam, you're going to have to download it even if you don't want it.

You may be able to void that by going into offline mode or physically removing your net connection. But none of the patching settings in Steam is going to permanently stop you from getting future patches.

Further, when you first install it, you will have no choice in installing all currently available patches, those are forced on you.
I meant individual game patches. And you can disable those per game in the settings for each game.
You can launch skyrim without steam, although I can't remember how - or if you need a cracked thingy, which there definitely is.

The latest patch - 1.3 doesn't have any major bugs for me personally. 1.2 is another story, that one bugged the hell out of dragons. 1.3 still doesn't fix a ton of quest related bugs however.