So hemp becomes the next big cash crop, supplanting some of the corn and bringing its own similar, but unique, environmental problems from farming the stuff. Call me jaded but this isn't much different than the wonders of corn-based ethanol production. Meh.

Granted, it does sound reasonable to allow it to be grown for industrial purposes. Just don't expect it to save the world. Big farm and big government will keep that from happening.

I'm with you on all of that!

Going back about 15/20 years ago here in Australia, some clever people started a very clever barter scheme in the area i was living at that time (Gosford on the Central Coast just North of Sydney). The doors had only just barely opened and the government came rushing with taxes that destroyed the viability of the business and it slowly went into decline and then shut down completely.

The lesson is - don't bother using initiative or inventiveness, just sit on your hands growing fat while relying totally on your governmental overlords for survival.

Edit: oh and i forgot to mention the environmental benefits of the barter scheme because they don't manufacture anything new, but make use of what is already produced. No wonder the government wanted to shut them down! Verbally (and token gestures) of world governments talk about caring for the environment, but little trinkets like this (and many others) prove otherwise.

As such, I find that alcohol is probably the worse drug between itself, and the weed - yet I only consume the former.

But also: I think that unless one grows cannabis at home, the criminality and brutality of making cannabis come to the market has nothing of a cute, libertarian dream.

I even find that when people might be permitted "medicinal cannabis" most likely they should be permitted "observed opiates."

Just today, I talked with a dear family friend who mentioned about her mother that is in the terminal state of her life, +90, and with a very painful rheum - yet her pain medication was reduced due to drugs to help other ailment so that she would not die of "over-medication."

To my mind, much more serious problem is about quality of human life in terminal stages. At least in Finland, there seems to be anxiety about people getting hooked on morphine - at the age of 90; when the cost of weaning this person will never burden the society, but it shall help towards a dignified end.

I should like hemp rather be legal than support criminality - but I also think there is a more severe dilemma with people made to die in pain, for the sake of morphine derivatives having a bad name, even within hospitals or home care of a terminal patient.

For this, I accuse of drug users being inhumanly selfish, even.

I'm sure when it is made legal, some big corporate something or other will claim that it harms their interstate markets and so violates the Commerce Clause. I'm sure they will cite Wickard v. Filburn while saying that one person making their own hemp products might not be a big deal but if many people do it, it will hurt them because if they had not made their own products, they would have been left with no other choice but to buy products from interstate markets.

The Commerce Clause really needs to be reigned in and that case needs to be looked at as the aberration that it is. I'm not really disagreeing with you, especially not with the second half of your post, but during Prohibition, alcohol consumption did drop right at first, only to skyrocket shortly after. It's hard to say why, but some theorize that it just took a little while for all of the new portable stills and for massive increases in bootlegging to get up and running. Also, when people went to drink illegally, they would binge while they could get alcohol in the limited fashion that they were forced to get it in instead of drinking in moderation which we are more likely to do when it's legal for us to get it whenever we want.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_during_and_after_prohibition

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Movement - LOL. That's a clever catch-word for this thing. If it works for you then fantastic and more power to ya, but don't try to sell it for anything more than what it really is: just another MLM business.

One of the issues with pot is that there's so much bullshit out there. But, I tend to trust the prohibitionists somewhat more, because it's clear that there are negative health effects, even if the prohibitionists tend to overstate it. Listening to potheads go on and on about how harmless pot is, is enough to keep me convinced that we shouldn't be legalizing it at this stage.

If further research justifies legalization, then legalize. But, as long as the people pushing for legalization refuse to admit that cannabis addiction is real, I'm not going to be supporting them.

The sooner the absurd law against marijuana use is repealed the better. Not that I will rush out to smoke it, but labeling those that smoke it as criminals while those two worse drugs (Alcohol and Tobacco) are legal is asinine.
However, even after it is eventually decriminalized, they will still make it illegal for your average Joe to grow this incredibly easy to grow plant for themselves. Just like they do with home made stills and alcohol, they will claim it is protecting their citizens. Intruding on someone's home life, as long as it is not affecting others, should not be allowed.

Yet, you have no problems with alcohol and tobacco being legal?

I thought it actually had positive health effects with moderation.

I never said that I don't. But, pot is presently illegal and isn't anywhere near as popular as tobacco and alcohol are. Alcohol isn't going to become much more prevalent than it already is, so any reductions are a good thing. Pot being mostly illegal has really nowhere to go but up.
No. They go back and forth and back and forth, but the reality is that alcohol is poison, and the medical research they use to investigate it is of poor quality. At this stage, I'm not aware of anybody doing research that would determine what part of the drinks are possibly beneficial and whether or not they require alcohol.

Basically it tends to be retrospective studies with little or no predictive power. It's probably sufficient to rationalize some drinking, but it's terribly irresponsible of the news media to suggest that drinking is a good habit for ones health. The body can absorb a certain amount of alcohol before it causes damage.

It will take a long time for super conservative states to make pot legal, I bet. I don't see a Georgia or Texas doing it for quite a long time.