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And by "sort of" I mean "help me learn some of the terminology for all the different bits and bobs that can be added to an electric guitar for different effects", not necessarily how to play the damned thing. I can figure that out on my own. I used to fiddle about with an 8-string bass, but I never knew anything about it.

Anyway, long story (relatively) short, my headshrink said I ought to take up a hobby that's a little more 'soothing' than my current practices of gun shooting and model-building. She says the former begets "violent impulses" (an ignorant observation, but the less said about that the better) and the latter causes frustration. I'd go to a different doctor except she's the only one that the payroll dept. will pay for. Anyway, I decided to pick the guitar since, as I said, I'd done it before and it would be easier than starting from scratch with a new instrument. I bought a Peavey Rockmaster (the one with Deadpool on it; I love that guy! He's a cancer survivor and a Weapon X experiment!) and dug out my old Peterson and some alligator clips and and currently trying to find the floppies with the tuning software on it (which sounds redundant since I mentioned using a Peterson, but this software basically turns the Amiga and it's monitor into a fully-fledged oscilloscope as good as any Tektronix). If all else fails I can just search AmiNet.

So, what I'm trying to figure out is how to make sounds like the "fade" effect as heard in the Game Over sequence in SotB 2 (I realise that most of that may be post-processing, and that it might actually be completely synthesized, rather than an actual guitar; But with Tim Wright's ability, it's really hard to tell) or in the latter half of EWJ's "Living on a Landmine". I practices with a headset on (that is, 1960's-70's style giant ear-covering monstrosities; they're much more comfortable), and would appreciate any direction given towards hardware like PC inputs that would let me practice with the "post-processing" effects in realtime without having to go to a studio (ex: a soundcard or adapter and software, etc).
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predcon: And by "sort of" I mean "help me learn some of the terminology for all the different bits and bobs that can be added to an electric guitar for different effects", not necessarily how to play the damned thing. I can figure that out on my own. I used to fiddle about with an 8-string bass, but I never knew anything about it.

Anyway, long story (relatively) short, my headshrink said I ought to take up a hobby that's a little more 'soothing' than my current practices of gun shooting and model-building. She says the former begets "violent impulses" (an ignorant observation, but the less said about that the better) and the latter causes frustration. I'd go to a different doctor except she's the only one that the payroll dept. will pay for. Anyway, I decided to pick the guitar since, as I said, I'd done it before and it would be easier than starting from scratch with a new instrument. I bought a Peavey Rockmaster (the one with Deadpool on it; I love that guy! He's a cancer survivor and a Weapon X experiment!) and dug out my old Peterson and some alligator clips and and currently trying to find the floppies with the tuning software on it (which sounds redundant since I mentioned using a Peterson, but this software basically turns the Amiga and it's monitor into a fully-fledged oscilloscope as good as any Tektronix). If all else fails I can just search AmiNet.

So, what I'm trying to figure out is how to make sounds like the "fade" effect as heard in the Game Over sequence in SotB 2 (I realise that most of that may be post-processing, and that it might actually be completely synthesized, rather than an actual guitar; But with Tim Wright's ability, it's really hard to tell) or in the latter half of EWJ's "Living on a Landmine". I practices with a headset on (that is, 1960's-70's style giant ear-covering monstrosities; they're much more comfortable), and would appreciate any direction given towards hardware like PC inputs that would let me practice with the "post-processing" effects in realtime without having to go to a studio (ex: a soundcard or adapter and software, etc).
If you want to do it all on PC, I suggest getting a Line 6 device like a POD Studio UX1 which is a great interface but also includes the POD Farm software, which lets you dial in tons of virtual effects and amps. It will let you experiment with what part of the chain does what.

For that tone, you probably want a fuzz of some variety, with a stereo delay, set the feedback to a single repeat and set the delay level up there pretty high. Dial in reverb to taste.
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predcon: And by "sort of" I mean "help me learn some of the terminology for all the different bits and bobs that can be added to an electric guitar for different effects", not necessarily how to play the damned thing."
In regards to the above -

I don't have either of these and would suggest buying a used copy if you wanted to use this method.
There is always Joe Walsh's attempt but he is pretty much stoned out of his . . . well, you know Joe . .

One of my favorite guitarist of all time is Joe Bonamassa. He is awesome IMHO but you may not like Blues.

I can't say either is what you are looking for and would suggest Banamassa over Walsh but that's just me . . . = )
Don't get me wrong, I was a Walsh fan starting with the James Gang
Post edited January 23, 2012 by Stuff
I used my POD xt to hammer out something quick here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/292054/GuitarTone.mp3

I used an octave fuzz, lots of mid and presence on the amp (a basic amp, not too drive-y on its own), stereo delay at about 200ms ooh and a chorus, you want that chorus for that style of tone.

It could have had a bit more bite on the top end but I tend to the warmer sounds, myself.
Not sure about the songs you're talking about, but they might have been using some pedals. If your budget is sufficient you could get a programmable multi-pedal, something like this:

[url=http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=guitar+pedal&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=8291364574701260335&sa=X&ei=nqMdT6evLcfZtwf-poS4AQ&ved=0CHkQ8wIwAg]http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=guitar+pedal&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=8291364574701260335&sa=X&ei=nqMdT6evLcfZtwf-poS4AQ&ved=0CHkQ8wIwAg[/url]
I personally use a Line 6 Pod XT, there are quite a lot of newer models out now, but it serves my purpose. They basically give you an arsenal of amp simulations & effects galore that can be recorded directly into your pc & the simulations are very close to the real deal. It also allows you to record guitar dry while monitoring it with effects, you can then Reamp the dry recorded signal multiple times if you wish & create many layers of the same recorded piece with different amps & effects :)
You say you can figure it out yourself... sure I guess if you only want to play electric but I really can't stress the importance of having lessons. If you just self teach you'll end up making lots of mistakes and getting into bad habits that will be much harder to get out of the longer you continue playing without realising.

One thing I'll say with playing is to treat it like chess and always try to think at least 2 moves ahead otherwise bad finger positioning and choice will make it much harder than it needs to be.
I think he's just saying he wants to learn how to build electric guitar tones. Learning playing technique is another thing altogether.
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predcon: And by "sort of" I mean "help me learn some of the terminology for all the different bits and bobs that can be added to an electric guitar for different effects", not necessarily how to play the damned thing."
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Stuff: In regards to the above -

I don't have either of these and would suggest buying a used copy if you wanted to use this method.
There is always Joe Walsh's attempt but he is pretty much stoned out of his . . . well, you know Joe . .

One of my favorite guitarist of all time is Joe Bonamassa. He is awesome IMHO but you may not like Blues.

I can't say either is what you are looking for and would suggest Banamassa over Walsh but that's just me . . . = )
Don't get me wrong, I was a Walsh fan starting with the James Gang
If he doesn't like the Blues, he could check out Black Country Communion. Bonnamassa plays guitar for them. It's straight up awesome hard rock.
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serpantino: You say you can figure it out yourself... sure I guess if you only want to play electric but I really can't stress the importance of having lessons. If you just self teach you'll end up making lots of mistakes and getting into bad habits that will be much harder to get out of the longer you continue playing without realising.

One thing I'll say with playing is to treat it like chess and always try to think at least 2 moves ahead otherwise bad finger positioning and choice will make it much harder than it needs to be.
I disagree. If he's only playing as a hobby it's fine to self teach. I'm of the opinion that it's only worth learning the 'correct' way of playing an instrument if you want to make money from it.
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deelee74: If he doesn't like the Blues, he could check out Black Country Communion. Bonnamassa plays guitar for them. It's straight up awesome hard rock.
Thanks for the tip, I will check it out as I did not know that. And I thought I followed his music offerings closely too. . . =)
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serpantino: You say you can figure it out yourself... sure I guess if you only want to play electric but I really can't stress the importance of having lessons. If you just self teach you'll end up making lots of mistakes and getting into bad habits that will be much harder to get out of the longer you continue playing without realising.

One thing I'll say with playing is to treat it like chess and always try to think at least 2 moves ahead otherwise bad finger positioning and choice will make it much harder than it needs to be.
I think that applies to pretty much any instrument. The actual performance ends up being mostly muscle memory after a ton of practice and one can focus on expression rather than hitting the right chords.

I used to play something mysterious and when I was playing I wasn't even there, I was totally gone with my body doing all the work.
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predcon: And by "sort of" I mean "help me learn some of the terminology for all the different bits and bobs that can be added to an electric guitar for different effects", not necessarily how to play the damned thing. I can figure that out on my own. I used to fiddle about with an 8-string bass, but I never knew anything about it.

Anyway, long story (relatively) short, my headshrink said I ought to take up a hobby that's a little more 'soothing' than my current practices of gun shooting and model-building. She says the former begets "violent impulses" (an ignorant observation, but the less said about that the better) and the latter causes frustration. I'd go to a different doctor except she's the only one that the payroll dept. will pay for. Anyway, I decided to pick the guitar since, as I said, I'd done it before and it would be easier than starting from scratch with a new instrument. I bought a Peavey Rockmaster (the one with Deadpool on it; I love that guy! He's a cancer survivor and a Weapon X experiment!) and dug out my old Peterson and some alligator clips and and currently trying to find the floppies with the tuning software on it (which sounds redundant since I mentioned using a Peterson, but this software basically turns the Amiga and it's monitor into a fully-fledged oscilloscope as good as any Tektronix). If all else fails I can just search AmiNet.

So, what I'm trying to figure out is how to make sounds like the "fade" effect as heard in the Game Over sequence in SotB 2 (I realise that most of that may be post-processing, and that it might actually be completely synthesized, rather than an actual guitar; But with Tim Wright's ability, it's really hard to tell) or in the latter half of EWJ's "Living on a Landmine". I practices with a headset on (that is, 1960's-70's style giant ear-covering monstrosities; they're much more comfortable), and would appreciate any direction given towards hardware like PC inputs that would let me practice with the "post-processing" effects in realtime without having to go to a studio (ex: a soundcard or adapter and software, etc).
Well what you can do to experiment to find that sound or others on the cheap, is to use a DAW like FL studio or Cockos Reaper. Then you can use ASIO drivers to use your microphone input for your guitar with a 1/4 inch to 3.5mm adapter (from radio shack) and then use DSP plugins for amp, cabinet and pedal sounds.
Reaper is free but, it will complain on start up to register a paid version. This does not effect anything, it works as a paid program regardless. FL studio has the best piano roll out of all the DAWs I have used. I have not used protools :).
Some of my favorite DSP plugins are the LePou amp and cabs ( they have a great Mesa Boogie copy) and simulanalog plugins. I normally use Line 6 HD 500 so I have not used these recently ;].

If you have any questions, just let me know.


Reaper DAW to house the dsp vst and record.
[url=]http://www.reaper.fm/[/url]

SImulanolog Suite for DSP ( reverb distortion etc)
[url=]http://www.simulanalog.org/guitarsuite.htm[/url]

More Vst effects
[url=]http://audio.tutsplus.com/articles/general/over-90-free-vst-effects-plugins/[/url]
[url=]ww.digitalnaturalsound.com/resources/audiomididsp.[/url]
[url=]http://www.emusician.com/news/0766/dave-pensados-plug-in-secrets/141096[/url]
[url=http://www.vstplanet.com/Effects/Saturation.htmhttp://www.vstplanet.com/Effects/Saturation.htm[/u[/url]]

Guitar tuner (IMO it is best buy far to tune by ear as it strengthens it, and is faster)
[url=]http://www.gieson.com/Library/projects/utilities/tuner/[/url]
Post edited January 23, 2012 by angrypole
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SirPrimalform: I disagree. If he's only playing as a hobby it's fine to self teach. I'm of the opinion that it's only worth learning the 'correct' way of playing an instrument if you want to make money from it.
Sorry but it's not that simple Playing "correct" is a lot more than just performing. I only play as a hobby, I've never performed nor wanted to and I spent the first 2 years teaching myself thinking that would be good enough.... After those 2 years I decided to have a few lessons just out of curiosity and I've learnt a hell of a lot since and it showed me first hand how bad it can be to just self-teach. Plus having a tutor can open up a lot of new play styles and advanced techniques that will make your playing even more enjoyable.
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hedwards: I used to play something mysterious...
what, like a saw?