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mct601: and yes, the AR-15 is a horrible home defense. it will over penetrate and threaten anything in the surrounding area whether it be your family or your neighbors. my choice would definitely be a shotgun. and people prefer different guns to hunt with, in places where the deer are smaller- a .223 can get the job done. here in MS with our whitetail, it doesn't work.

Ahh, yeah, you did say you had a 6.8 AR-15, right? My friend in question has a 5.56. so switching to a .223 hunting rifle rifle is pretty much apples/apples. He does have a 6.8mm upper, I think, he just hasn't gotten around to buying the lower (he got the 5.56 on special, so he is sated for now).
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mct601: Snippity snip long post here.

I will agree that an AR-15 isn't good for home defense either. I will have to say though that buckshot will go through any common house unless it's made of concrete. I personally am not worried about overpenetration because hollow points don't seem to go too far through material. Also along with the pistols my brother has the police issue micro-flashlights that are brighter than spotlights and have a strobe button on them, that blinds me and anyone I tried it on so bad you will fall over yourself if you look at it in the dark. That's as good as a gun for me so I can beat the SOB with an axehandle after he's immobilized ;)
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ceemdee: Arrr! They can take me flintlock when they pry it out of me cold hook hand!

Hey ! I have a (small) collection of "made in China" French and Dutch flintlock pistols. I can defend myself, if used as a hammer.
Just give me a 9mm or bigger with a few Hydra-Shok rounds, good enough for me. They say 9mms lack stopping power, but I have seen some photos of 9mms with that round... Anything bigger is (almost) overkill.
EDIT: Or better yet, Black Talons. Blocking on what they are called now, never used them. I had to order some for a friend of mine in Georgia not long back, since Natchez doesn't deliver to that state.
Post edited January 18, 2010 by Krypsyn
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ceemdee: Arrr! They can take me flintlock when they pry it out of me cold hook hand!

Patchy the Pirate? Is that you?
why can't they just present it in a reasonable way? why does it have to be so hyperbolic and stupid? i'm sure there is a legitimate view being represented, but that video is painfully worded.
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Cambrey: Hey ! I have a (small) collection of "made in China" French and Dutch flintlock pistols. I can defend myself, if used as a hammer.

I quote Boris the Blade from Snatch:
"Weight is a good sign of reliability. If the gun doesn't work, you can hit them with it."
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mct601: and yes, the AR-15 is a horrible home defense. it will over penetrate and threaten anything in the surrounding area whether it be your family or your neighbors. my choice would definitely be a shotgun. and people prefer different guns to hunt with, in places where the deer are smaller- a .223 can get the job done. here in MS with our whitetail, it doesn't work.
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Krypsyn: Ahh, yeah, you did say you had a 6.8 AR-15, right? My friend in question has a 5.56. so switching to a .223 hunting rifle rifle is pretty much apples/apples. He does have a 6.8mm upper, I think, he just hasn't gotten around to buying the lower (he got the 5.56 on special, so he is sated for now).

.223, the 6.8SPC was too expensive for me to buy at the time. when I do go bigger, I'm going 6.5 Grendel or dishing out the cash for a .308. and forget Hydra-Shoks, as mean as they are go with Remington Golden Sabres. the Sabres have a little more "oomph" to them than the Shoks.
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mct601: Snippity snip long post here.
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tb87670: I will agree that an AR-15 isn't good for home defense either. I will have to say though that buckshot will go through any common house unless it's made of concrete. I personally am not worried about overpenetration because hollow points don't seem to go too far through material. Also along with the pistols my brother has the police issue micro-flashlights that are brighter than spotlights and have a strobe button on them, that blinds me and anyone I tried it on so bad you will fall over yourself if you look at it in the dark. That's as good as a gun for me so I can beat the SOB with an axehandle after he's immobilized ;)

people don't realize just how powerful those lights are. they're not really made with the intention of illuminating an area- they're made to knock someone on their rear lol. I got flashed by a weak tactical light at a gunshow and I had a black dot in the middle of my eyesight for damn near the rest of the day. hollowpoints are definitely the best way to go though.
Post edited January 18, 2010 by mct601
I wants me a Colt Anaconda. You know, for self-defense against robbers, rapists, and grizzly bears (seriously, try using a 9mm handgun on a charging beast; you will wish you had .44 magnum rounds in his face).
Go ahead, make my day. (Remake Dirty Harry with a Colt Anaconda, yeah?)
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captfitz: why can't they just present it in a reasonable way? why does it have to be so hyperbolic and stupid? i'm sure there is a legitimate view being represented, but that video is painfully worded.

I agree, the video should drop the drama. If they have a case . . . just make it. I have not heard of any of the points put forward . . . actually happening . . . my original reason for posting it was to see if anyone HAD heard of the situations they present. Seems not since there was not a single response could/would confirm any of it.
I am sick of the politics here in the US . . . this being a good example of why . . . =)
Post edited January 18, 2010 by Stuff
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Stuff: I am sick of the politics here in the US . . . this being a good example of why . . . =)

this is a disproportionately funded interest group spewing money to further their PAC budget and not their actual agenda
thank god for campaign finance laws
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Stuff: I am sick of the politics here in the US . . . this being a good example of why . . . =)
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captfitz: this is a disproportionately funded interest group spewing money to further their PAC budget and not their actual agenda
thank god for campaign finance laws

HOLY SHIT WE HAVE A POLITICAL ANALYST IN THE ROOM!
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Stuff: I am sick of the politics here in the US . . . this being a good example of why . . . =)
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captfitz: thank god for campaign finance laws

If only they would work =)
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anjohl: Guns kill people.
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melchiz: So do drugs. Oh, and while we're at it, so do knives, high-sodium diets, automobiles, alcohol, and sedentary lifestyles.

Those things kill the USER, guns allow the USER to kill OTHER people.
There is no reason for a private citizen to own a firearm unless it's for hunting, and Canada has that figured out perfectly. Compare the crime rates...there's no counter argument, guns are not the way to go.
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anjohl: There is no reason for a private citizen to own a firearm unless it's for hunting, and Canada has that figured out perfectly. Compare the crime rates...there's no counter argument, guns are not the way to go.

Actually, at just over 30 guns per 100 people Canada has one of the higher rates of gun ownership in the world. Interestingly, one of the countries with the lowest rates of gun ownership is Nigeria... want to guess what the crime rate is like there?