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Posted June 05, 2014
I'm a Firefox user, but I’ve installed Opera and made it default, on countless systems for people who don't know that there are other browsers beside IE, until they changed to Chrome. Now I install Firefox to any PC I deal with.
Posted June 05, 2014
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A_Future_Pilot: So I switched today. I never liked Firefox too much (it always felt slower than Chrome and didn't look as good IMO), but today I heard Chrome has done away with NPAPI plugins on Linux (which I think is a good thing in the long run, but for right now it means I can't use Pipelight to watch Netflix). So I started looking around at alternatives and rediscovered Opera. Dang this is nice! As fast as Chrome, but more secure and open. Looks every bit as good! As a web developer it's also great cause it's completely standards-compliant. I'm loving this! :)
I generally like Opera, but I still prefer Firefox for a couple of reasons:

- Firefox offers the option to delete all cache files, offline data, cookies, history etc. automatically whenever you close the browser. I've always liked this feature, at least IE nor Opera seem to do this completely. I think all browsers should have this feature and it should be enabled by default (opt-out, not opt-in). Makes sure people don't accidentally let others log in to their web pages, if they use the same computer or device.

- I sometimes have some odd problems with Opera, like some pages just refusing to load. No error, just blank Opera screen, no matter how many times I try to refresh or reload the page. Yet the same page opens fine in Firefox.

- The latest UI changes in Opera aggravate me. Why do they keep changing things? Again I can't find some options which I used before. Firefox has had similar problems, as well as MS Office etc. I don't like the current tendency to hide options from users.
Post edited June 05, 2014 by timppu
Posted June 05, 2014
I've never used Chrome, because it's Google, which I try to avoid as much as possible :)

I use Firefox at home (Yay for NoScript :)), and IE at work cause I actually think that IE11 is pretty great (not the metro version obviously)
Posted June 05, 2014
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monkeydelarge: There is no escaping Firefox. In the end, Firefox always wins.
I prefer Pale Moon (the third-party Linux port/build, specifically), it doesn't try to be Gecko in Chrome clothing.
Post edited June 05, 2014 by Maighstir
Posted June 05, 2014
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Maighstir: I prefer Pale Moon (the third-party Linux port/build, specifically), it doesn't try to be Gecko in Chrome clothing.
Which of the two ports do you use and on what criteria did you base your choice?
How long do you use it and what's your experience?

Cheers!
Posted June 05, 2014
Man, I could write an essay on Chrome's current issues. And to think I used to be one of its biggest proponents at the start, due to its speed, design and general hassle-free experience. Now it just sucks. The only reason I'm not switching to something else is because none of the other browsers seem to have an extension for a small pop-up feed reader, which is something I absolutely want.
Post edited June 05, 2014 by Malek86
Posted June 05, 2014
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Malek86: The only reason I'm not switching to something else is because none of the other browsers seem to have an extension for a small pop-up feed reader, which is something I absolutely want.
SRWare Iron? Chrome without Google is the usual description.
Posted June 05, 2014
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Maighstir: I prefer Pale Moon (the third-party Linux port/build, specifically), it doesn't try to be Gecko in Chrome clothing.
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HypersomniacLive: Which of the two ports do you use and on what criteria did you base your choice?
How long do you use it and what's your experience?

Cheers!
"Which of the two"? This is in Archlinux' AUR, so that's what I use.

I used to use the 64-bit version on Windows for a good while, since long before Mozilla switched to the current "Australis" interface, partially because I wanted a 64-bit browser that's not Internet Explorer (Opera, Firefox, and Google still only offer 32-bit executables on Windows, despite being 64-bit native on other platforms), and I'd bet it was partially because I was uncertain wether or not Mozilla shared data collected through the browser (minor baseless paranoia), similar to why I had SRWare Iron installed instead of Google Chrome (I don't need every browser installed, just a sample of every major web engine in order to make sure code runs and looks well enough in all browsers; so Trident, Gecko, Webkit/Blink and Presto together with each browser's Javascript engine).

Nowadays, the main reason is that I don't like Australis.
Posted June 05, 2014
I just use an old version of Opera, 12.15, before the switch, and keep Java and Flash updated.

I've never had any problems, except for the sites that read browser headers and whine when they don't see what they are looking for. Even then, most everything works, everywhere.
Posted June 05, 2014
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Maighstir: "Which of the two"? This is in Archlinux' AUR, so that's what I use.

I used to use the 64-bit version on Windows for a good while, since long before Mozilla switched to the current "Australis" interface, partially because I wanted a 64-bit browser that's not Internet Explorer (Opera, Firefox, and Google still only offer 32-bit executables on Windows, despite being 64-bit native on other platforms), and I'd bet it was partially because I was uncertain wether or not Mozilla shared data collected through the browser (minor baseless paranoia), similar to why I had SRWare Iron installed instead of Google Chrome (I don't need every browser installed, just a sample of every major web engine in order to make sure code runs and looks well enough in all browsers; so Trident, Gecko, Webkit/Blink and Presto together with each browser's Javascript engine).

Nowadays, the main reason is that I don't like Australis.
Cheers, I'm also a Pale Moon and SWare Iron (portable) user on Windows. I'm planning on trying Linux and am interested in info on how well Pale Moon performs on it, as I'd love to keep it as my main browser there.
Posted June 05, 2014
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Dandeeees: After the last Firefox update that introduced that god awful australis interface I choose as my default browser PaleMoon http://www.palemoon.org/ . Almost every Firefox addon runs on it and it has the old firefox look and is even more customizable and faster. It even has a stable and even more faster 64 bit version. It is the best browser i had ever used.
You should not be so happy yet. Palemoon is just customized version of Firefox. Its absolutely depends on FF codebase and, unfortunately, Australis is totally in main code. I dont see how Palemoon will be able to escape adoptin Australis - if they do they will have awn fork with constantly growin gap between their on official version. Sure, they will be able to port new releases and features for some time...but in one moment this will lead to incompatibility.
ALSO, australis got polished a little on Nightly...maybe once i even start liking it...
Posted June 05, 2014
nope! Hello Chrome Adios Opera! lol
Posted June 05, 2014
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Maighstir: "Which of the two"? This is in Archlinux' AUR, so that's what I use.

I used to use the 64-bit version on Windows for a good while, since long before Mozilla switched to the current "Australis" interface, partially because I wanted a 64-bit browser that's not Internet Explorer (Opera, Firefox, and Google still only offer 32-bit executables on Windows, despite being 64-bit native on other platforms), and I'd bet it was partially because I was uncertain wether or not Mozilla shared data collected through the browser (minor baseless paranoia), similar to why I had SRWare Iron installed instead of Google Chrome (I don't need every browser installed, just a sample of every major web engine in order to make sure code runs and looks well enough in all browsers; so Trident, Gecko, Webkit/Blink and Presto together with each browser's Javascript engine).

Nowadays, the main reason is that I don't like Australis.
Mozilla dont build (almost) 64 builds fr Windows for some reason
1) Their crash-report system somwhow cannot work with 64bit version, providing only bogus crashdumps. I heard they totally unhappy with that.
2) They use (dunno why) 32bit servers to build and compilers just crash with Out of Memory with compiling 64bit builds. They working on that for some time but it looks like it need very significant work to fix that issue
3) Windows, unfortunately, switching to 64 very slowly. VERY VERY. Mozilla almost dont have any win with 64bit winFirefox.
On other side, Linux switching to 64bit very quickly and much more easier - due OpenSource all distro maintainer need is to build 64 bit version for all packets and that works fine in most cases.



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HypersomniacLive: Cheers, I'm also a Pale Moon and SWare Iron (portable) user on Windows. I'm planning on trying Linux and am interested in info on how well Pale Moon performs on it, as I'd love to keep it as my main browser there.
IMHO PaleMoon dont build it for Linux. There was SwiftFox before, analog of Palemoon, buts looks dead now.
BYW, if you planning to ise Firefox on linux you should know that there is two option - to use build made by Distro maintainer (like Ubuntu or so) or to use Mozilla's build. While usually distro-based is recommended i personally use Mozilla's own - easier to tinker with it.
Posted June 05, 2014
Currently I still use 12.14, because it was the last version that allowed you to change the default search engine.
I know I will have to switch soon, maybe to Firefox, no idea yet. But I'm putting all my hope into the Otter Browser an open-source, reverse-engineered version of Opera 12.xx, but it's still pretty early in development, so not really recommended for end users.
Posted June 05, 2014
I used to use Opera until sites started breaking on me and it told me I was updated to the latest version. Farewell!

Currently there are no really good browsers besides Firefox. The others either perform crappily or have cloud services for tracking and saving your data/sessions. I guess it ain't as easy as it used to be to make one.
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