That's what I dislike about superhero comics, they are like a soap opera and usually make as much sense.

All right the big one:

Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns, is it still good and remember he written this book before he went insane.

Its only 4 books so ultimatly is it worth it?

Although soap operas have a tendency to trawl through the decades picking up all manners of shit. Superhero settings do the same, but occasionally someone calls a reboot on whatever basis and history is thus unleashed to repeat itself. I'm not entirely sure which is worse, but since I avoid both superheroes and soap operas, it probably doesn't matter all that much.

This seems more faithful than the film:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLdqKIj3-A0

Anyway I read the whole comic book.....what did I see, what did I learned from all of this.

Sorry if I sound confusing I just feel all polarized after what I read thats all, this is not a simple story to comprehend.

My personal favorites are:

1. Grant Morrison's "Animal Man"

2. Alan Moore's "Swamp Thing"

3. Anything "Batman" written by Scott Snyder, especially "The Black Mirror".

and New 52 is pretty solid overall, with "Batman", "The Flash", "Animal Man", "Wonder Woman" and "Swamp Thing" being memorable.

Even "Demon Knights" is okay.

Superman Red Son is a must read/own, fantastic alternative view on the Superman story.

I read the basic story in wikipedia and it looks interseting but still the idea does sound wacky in a way, "Hey what if Superman is a communist and landed in Russia?"

I mean whats next Superman landing in Themyscira being raised by the Amazons?

Sorry about that I was just confused and a little dissipointed by the ending of the whole book and just now I finally understand it.

Like for one what was up with Rorschach in the end, first he was gonna reveal to the world the Ozymandias was behind it all and when Manhattan showed up to stop Rorschach just gave up and tells him to kill him anyway.

I was like," Ok why the sudden change of mind Rorschach? And why ask to get yourself killed when you can just say I won't say anything"

Also I sort of not buy that the whole "fake alien invasion" would not last long, for one I am sure the giant alien creature will be examined and they will discover that its just a lifeless piece of flesh (at least thats how I see it, because the alien creature was not even moving at all after the explosion and I assume the alien appeared after the explosion in New York happened)

Also I am surprised that except Dr. Manhattan, none of the other heroes has any Super powers, they were all literally costumed vigilantes, it looked eerily real how they were portrayed, though I cannot imagine how different they are in action, I mean whats so different between The Silk Specter and The Silhouette?


But still All in All this is another masterpiece by Alan Moore, though of course I like V for Vendetta a bit better.

Rorschach sees everything in terms of black and white, moral absolutes. He has a moral code. It's warped, since he's crazy and doesn't have any problem people he thinks of as "evil", but he has one and refuses to compromise on it regardless of the consequences to himself or others. "Never compromise. Even in the face of armageddon" (or however it went)

also, that's literally the entire point of the ending. Why Adrian was so desperate for reassurance at the, that others thought he did the right thing. The last couple pages. It's meant to call into question the whole idea of "ends justifies the means", committing a "lesser" evil to stop a greater evil and whether or not it's actually effective let alone correct (see also: the black freighter sequences). It's not supposed to be a permanent thing, although what happens after that kind of depends on the reader's point of view and how optimistic/pessimistic they are.

Holy shit, no. It's pretty fucking terrible. It was written before he obviously went insane, but it has every single problem people criticise his later works for is in here. He write characters wildly out of character, has an obvious hatred for certain characters, while at the same time obviously not getting what make those characters those characters. The art isn't particularly good, the pages are overcrowded with panels (a lot of them being taken up with news reports and interviews, most of which boil down to 'haha, these idiot liberals'), and the four stories never really mesh together (the Two-Face story is almost good, but falls so short). Also, in one scene Batman shoots a dude. Batman. Fucking shoots a dude. And later he has the gall to declare that guns are for the cowardly and people who follow in hos footsteps don't use guns (part of the 'wildly out of character' I noted above, but especially egregious, hence my singling it out here).

However, credit where credit is due, Carrie Kelly as Robin is good, and the scene near the beginning where Bruce Wayne catches the Zorro movie on TV is well done.

If you must read a Frank Miller Batman story, read Year One. It's not perfect, but it's a damn sight better than TDKR.

Manhattan knew he would say something, and Rorschach isn't the type of guy to lie about his intentions. He knew what he was doing was stupid, but he couldn't deviate from his own code, that's why he yelled at Manhattan to kill him. It was probably MOSTLY passable as a living entity, and as it lies there rotting, they'll never get enough sample to definitively prove it a fake. Besides, everyone with even mild psychic sensitivity will have nightmares to come (per Adrian), reinforcing the illusion of a hostile alien threat, and you have a big-ass alien in the middle of New York... A hoax is going to be the last thing on anyone's mind. By the time people give up on the alien invasion, they'll have been cooperating long enough to forget the whole "let's nuke ourselves into a glowing pool of radioactive sludge." They were based on the Charleston Comic characters that DC purchased. DC wouldn't let Moore use the Charleston heroes, so he made knockoffs for the story. With the exception of Doctor Manhattan/Captain Atom, they were all street-vigilantes essentially. Aside from that, DM was the only real superhuman was the cause and solution to the arms race. He led to American superiority, but also caused massive paranoia with the Russians and was the reason the alternative-1980's was so close to outright war. If Adrian didn't get rid of him, he A) would have stopped his plan, or B) Everyone wouldn't cooperate and give up on nuclear war, they'd just expect DM to take care of the aliens and then continue on their march to nuclear Armageddon.
I disagree, however, what I hate about it is what it did to the character of Batman. It was fine as an out-of-continuity story, but they've moved Batman to being more and more like TDKR, and now I can't stand the character. A power-tripping psycho committing an ACTUAL one-man war on crime is fine for a one-off tale, but not when it's the regular character in his ongoing series.... I've been wanting to try Batman for a while, but every book I've picked up has been from the post-Miller era, and every time he's portrayed as an unlikable psycho.

To late I already bought the first issue of TDKR :(

And I am already aware that batman uses a gun in this comic just by seeing the cover of the 4th issue

Sandman. One of the best stories I've ever had the pleasure of reading.

No joke when I was reading the comic, I actually thought the world was going to end in WW3 nuclear exchange, I am the athmosphere and the characters really made me thought the world ending to the point that I thought it was gonna happen in the end and I have a different ending in my head.

Also I like to ask, the Pirate comic within the story, how does it connect to the main plot, I try to piece it, but I never can.

And finally I like to ask what you thought what was the moral of the whole Watchmen Graphic Novel, everyone says its basically the deconstruction of the whole Superhero genre and mythos, but it seems more than that.