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Posted December 08, 2011
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http://torrentfreak.com/drm-free-witcher-2-cashes-in-on-bittorrent-pirates-111207/
I'm insulted and ashamed. To think that I once respected this organization. "Oh, we're cool with piracy! We think DRM-free is the solution to everything!" Of course DRM-free was a solution to you people; you blackmail them to pay heavy fines or send them to court. Some of these people never even downloaded your game, yet you still come after them.

I'm done buying games from you. I'm done recommending you to friends. Hell, I will make sure to write about your site. See, I'm working at this decent-sized site now, and I'll be sure to let all our readers know that your business should be avoided at all costs.

This is also the last time you'll be seeing me around these parts. I'm downloading all my games to make sure you don't do anything malicious against me or my account, and I'm leaving for good. Adios, you customer-abusing blowhards.
Posted December 09, 2011
What are you on about - did you even lightly read the article?

GoG's parent company is only sending the bills to those people who torrented the game data - ie those who stole it without any purchase. They are fully in their rights to seek out and take legal action against people who illegally access and use (as well as distribute) their software; the same is true for any company or individual who owns copyright which is being breached.

Granted that many people are getting hit with the net without having accessed the data, that is an oversight on their part and one would hope that it shouldn't be too hard for them to prove that they have no accessed the data.



Also - they never said that Piracy was "Ok" they said that it didn't threaten their operation to go DRM free. They never endorsed piracy in any form.
Post edited December 09, 2011 by overread
Posted December 09, 2011
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Woah woah woah. I remember them saying they were going to do this, but I thought it was an empty threat designed to scare. Don't they realise that IP tracking is a pretty damn unreliable way of identifying individual people? I thought this was GOG's reasoning for abandoning IP as a method of determining people's location?
Posted December 09, 2011
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TheCheese33: http://torrentfreak.com/drm-free-witcher-2-cashes-in-on-bittorrent-pirates-111207/
I'm insulted and ashamed. To think that I once respected this organization. "Oh, we're cool with piracy! We think DRM-free is the solution to everything!" Of course DRM-free was a solution to you people; you blackmail them to pay heavy fines or send them to court. Some of these people never even downloaded your game, yet you still come after them.

I'm done buying games from you. I'm done recommending you to friends. Hell, I will make sure to write about your site. See, I'm working at this decent-sized site now, and I'll be sure to let all our readers know that your business should be avoided at all costs.

This is also the last time you'll be seeing me around these parts. I'm downloading all my games to make sure you don't do anything malicious against me or my account, and I'm leaving for good. Adios, you customer-abusing blowhards.
libel much?

Seriously, CD Projekt is a sister company to GOG and ultimately they're well within their rights to try and recover what money they can. This thread is almost as absurd as those derailments about GOG profiting from abandonware because they advertise there trying to lure people to buy legitimate copies.
Posted December 09, 2011
They said 'pirates don't matter'. If they don't matter, why are they going after them? And it's absolutely not acceptable for innocent people to be caught up in the net of this type of underhanded scare tactic. While I'm not blaming GOG for this, I do agree with much of what TheCheese33 is complaining about.
Posted December 09, 2011
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TheCheese33: "Oh, we're cool with piracy! We think DRM-free is the solution to everything!"
overread is right though, they never said anything close to "we're cool with piracy".
Posted December 09, 2011
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SirPrimalform: Woah woah woah. I remember them saying they were going to do this, but I thought it was an empty threat designed to scare. Don't they realise that IP tracking is a pretty damn unreliable way of identifying individual people? I thought this was GOG's reasoning for abandoning IP as a method of determining people's location?
That might be GoG's stance (though I recall reading that a court has enforced them to enable ip location tracking for the witcher 2 recently - though I haven't read the details much into that ), but CD Projekt (parent company, but a separate entity mostly) are the ones chasing after the torrenters.
This might simply reflect differences in the management and approaches of the parent company over GoG, which is a smaller division.
Posted December 09, 2011
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Coelocanth: They said 'pirates don't matter'. If they don't matter, why are they going after them? And it's absolutely not acceptable for innocent people to be caught up in the net of this type of underhanded scare tactic. While I'm not blaming GOG for this, I do agree with much of what TheCheese33 is complaining about.
Of course trying to get money from people that haven't pirated the materials isn't right. However I didn't see anything in the article to suggest that there were people being sent letters that didn't pirate the game. Nor did I see anything to indicate that the methods being used to confirm matches were shoddy or likely to falsely accuse people.
Posted December 09, 2011
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Coelocanth: They said 'pirates don't matter'. If they don't matter, why are they going after them? And it's absolutely not acceptable for innocent people to be caught up in the net of this type of underhanded scare tactic. While I'm not blaming GOG for this, I do agree with much of what TheCheese33 is complaining about.
Piracy might not be strong enough to shake their regular model for earning; in other words they expect to be able to recoup the investment and make profit on the retail release of products without DRM. However that is not the same as saying that the pirates do not affect their operation, nor does it mean that they won't take any action against them.
Posted December 09, 2011
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hedwards: Of course trying to get money from people that haven't pirated the materials isn't right. However I didn't see anything in the article to suggest that there were people being sent letters that didn't pirate the game. Nor did I see anything to indicate that the methods being used to confirm matches were shoddy or likely to falsely accuse people.
You missed this part, then:

As is often the case, these mass settlement schemes do not exist without collateral damage. Aside from targeting many people who indeed downloaded and shared the game without paying, CD Projekt’s lawyers are also wrongfully accusing people who have never even heard of the game.
After all, an IP-address doesn’t identify a person, and Wi-Fi piggybacking is not unusual. But CD Projekt, who don’t want to bug legitimate consumers with DRM, apparently take this collateral damage for granted.
Posted December 09, 2011
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hedwards: Of course trying to get money from people that haven't pirated the materials isn't right. However I didn't see anything in the article to suggest that there were people being sent letters that didn't pirate the game.
As is often the case, these mass settlement schemes do not exist without collateral damage. Aside from targeting many people who indeed downloaded and shared the game without paying, CD Projekt’s lawyers are also wrongfully accusing people who have never even heard of the game.
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hedwards: Nor did I see anything to indicate that the methods being used to confirm matches were shoddy or likely to falsely accuse people.
Fair enough, there's nothing in the article to suggest this.

EDIT: Ninja'd!
Post edited December 09, 2011 by SirPrimalform
Posted December 09, 2011
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hedwards: Of course trying to get money from people that haven't pirated the materials isn't right. However I didn't see anything in the article to suggest that there were people being sent letters that didn't pirate the game. Nor did I see anything to indicate that the methods being used to confirm matches were shoddy or likely to falsely accuse people.
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Coelocanth: You missed this part, then:

As is often the case, these mass settlement schemes do not exist without collateral damage. Aside from targeting many people who indeed downloaded and shared the game without paying, CD Projekt’s lawyers are also wrongfully accusing people who have never even heard of the game.
After all, an IP-address doesn’t identify a person, and Wi-Fi piggybacking is not unusual. But CD Projekt, who don’t want to bug legitimate consumers with DRM, apparently take this collateral damage for granted.
I did miss that. However, it's extremely weak without having any quotes or evidence that it's anything other than conjecture on their part. I'll have to reread the article, but I don't recall there being anything substantive.
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SirPrimalform: Fair enough, there's nothing in the article to suggest this.
The "journalist" is making an assertion for which there is no basis in the article. Now it might be factually correct, but without any examples or quotes from people that have been affected it's bordering on libel.

Of course it's probable that somebody has been falsely accused, but it's really weak to rely upon conjecture like that to support a claim without having any evidence.
Post edited December 09, 2011 by hedwards
Posted December 09, 2011
Right, there is no hard evidence posted at the article. I'll not put much trust.
Posted December 09, 2011
How in the FUCK does being against DRM equate to being cool with piracy? That kind of attitude is what scares publishers away from DRM free in the first place. I am as big a hater of DRM as you will probably find, but I absolutely DESPISE piracy. The two are nowhere near related.

As for the "article," it's good they are going after pirates instead of harassing paying customers. I fully support them.

Take your support of piracy somewhere else and don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
Posted December 09, 2011
If the information in the article is true then this is very disappointing. These kinds of extortion schemes are unfortunately nothing new, and rely upon the high costs of defending against legal action to coerce payments (basically regardless of one's guilt or innocence it's cheaper to pay the ~$1000 settlement demand than to lawyer up and actually try to defend against any suit that's brought). Naturally, as a result of this, the law firms that specialize in this kind of extortion don't pay much heed to whether or not they're targeting guilty or innocent people and the collateral damage tends to be pretty ugly. I'll wait for more details on this, but if it turns out to be the way that the linked article paints in then at the very least I'll be significantly scaling back the amount of money that I'm sending CDP's way.
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