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Potzato: I agree but not on the 'hurting'. Having a client may help gog reach new customers (and make some existing ones happier), not having one don't make gog lose customers as far as I know (edit : I mean that it's hard to quantify).
Whenever I debate GOG vs other services with people I know, 2 main criticisms have been brought up:

1) Steam is more convenient

2) Steam has more newer games

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Potzato: Making a lightweight, cool featured, client requires time and resources. This is something they would have to do (or 'are currently making ?') very carefully. Right now the will for a client is really not clear, people saying 'why not' is not a good incentive.
I think a single programmer with the right skillset could do it within a month. It's not nothing, but it's not gargantuan either.

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Potzato: I often wonder : do all people that want a client use steam, or any client based platform, regularly ? (I suppose the answer is yes)
I don't use Steam, but I have over 600 games on GOG and they roll the updates fairly consistently.

Updating them manually can be a chore (even when using the downloader, I need to delete the old file and initiate each download manually, plus I need to juggle the tool between 2 external hard drives).

Also, whenever I do a reformat of my hard drive, tracking down the the location of all my save games for different games can be mildly annoying as by the time I reformat, I'll have gone through at least 30 games. This is a pre-GOG issue that has been annoying me for years and then it hit me I could actually do something about it for myself.

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Potzato: Then : Are they used to have 2 clients ? do they already use 2 at a time ? Did they keep them running simultaneously or do they quit and launch on every whim ? In the end, what will more likely make them keep using the client than thinking "three clients run like shit together, in fact I prefer the folder full o' shortcuts" ? Business wise : if you spend energy doing something, you'd prefer people to use AND like it (that may need years of tweaking .....and still have lots of issues)

There is a big differences between what people want and what they really need. Then you have to be sure of what you can deliver.

My message to OP is not 'clients are useless, don't discuss of that here', but more 'this is a complex discussion that can't be started anew every week. Many people poured their thoughts into it, you should start reading the older posts and really take it *a step further*'
Use 1 client with more optional features.

I honestly think you're overplaying the complexity of client-side development.

I'm not saying it's trivial, but it's a lot simpler then designing a rock-solid server-side.
Post edited April 28, 2014 by Magnitus
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Magnitus: Use 1 client with more optional features.
My point was aimed at steam users that may want the same kind of client from gog, that would be 2 clients running. And then you can add gamestop, origin, and Uplay (do they have a client ?) on top of that.

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Magnitus: I honestly think you're overplaying the complexity of client-side development.

I'm not saying it's trivial, but it's a lot simpler then designing a rock-solid server-side.
I agree that I am certainly very cautious in my estimations, but in all fairness I didn't speak in details about the features embedded in the hypothetical client (just that it would have more functionalities than a folder full of shortcuts).

Edit: now that I think of it, have you in mind a launcher like Blizzard does when you speak about client ? Because when I think client I have something like Steam in mind : a micro browser with the store, the frontpage and all the impending security.
Post edited April 28, 2014 by Potzato
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Barefoot_Monkey: [...]

Recent GOG installers put games in the GOG.com program group.

I'm not sure if GOG does anything special with regard to Windows Games Explorer, but Games Explorer tends to add games of its own accord anyway. Even games released before Games Explorer even existed are still affect^H^H^Hlicted by it.
That's exactly what I was talking about, though didn't make it clear enough. I have absolutely no use for Windows Games Explorer and get quite annoyed by the entries added there.


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Quasebarth: Really? I don't see a difference with the latest installers. The common installer still creates a desktop icon which can be disabled during installation, a Windows Game Explorer entry and the game folder in the Startmenu/Metro screen. At least in Windows 8.

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I should have made it clear that I was only referring to the Windows Game Explorer part (see my reply to Barefoot_Monkey).
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djdarko: It's a good idea, as long as it's kept optional.
Pretty much how I feel as well.
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Potzato: My point was aimed at steam users that may want the same kind of client from gog, that would be 2 clients running. And then you can add gamestop, origin, and Uplay (do they have a client ?) on top of that.
Why does this matter? Why do you care?
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elendiel7: Why does this matter? Why do you care?
Why do you care that I care ?

Sorry for the stupid answer, but you asked for it. See previous post.
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Magnitus: Use 1 client with more optional features.
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Potzato: My point was aimed at steam users that may want the same kind of client from gog, that would be 2 clients running. And then you can add gamestop, origin, and Uplay (do they have a client ?) on top of that.
I have:

Steam client
Origin client
Desura client
UPlay client
Big Fish client
Wild Tangent client

and maybe a couple more I do not remember the name of right now...

I only start those who I need to to play the games. I would have no problems having a gOg client managing my gOg games also.

I prefer to have 10+ clients to manage instead of 1000+ games to manage.
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mqstout: No thanks. the OS (or one of 9856498573498573498 3rd party programs) handles shortcuts an program launching no problem.

It DOES irritate me that the newest GOG installers don't create program groups/shortcuts, though, in the start menu in Win7/8. It seems to put them in the stupid Windows Game Center, only.
I'm obviously misunderstanding you because I keep thinking you're talking about is exactly what I have in Windows 7.
On the Start Menu, under All Programs is a Group called Gog.com with every gog game I have installed there, with links to readmes, manuals, setup utilities, etc. Is there another Start Menu that I'm not aware of or am I misunderstanding what the Start Menu is??

I tried to take a snipping tool screen of it, but as soon as I click on the snipping tool (or anything else for that matter) the Start Menu disappears.
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HypersomniacLive: That's exactly what I was talking about, though didn't make it clear enough. I have absolutely no use for Windows Games Explorer and get quite annoyed by the entries added there.
Try opening the command prompt as administrator (in the Start menu, start typing "command prompt" and, when it appears, right click it and select "Run as administrator") and using the prompt to enter the following two commands:
regsvr32 -u c:\windows\system32\gameux.dll
regsvr32 -u c:\windows\SysWOW64\gameux.dll

That should disable Games Explorer on your computer. Hopefully it will stay disabled, but updates or other might conditions might bring it back occasionally.
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Potzato: Why do you care that I care ?

Sorry for the stupid answer, but you asked for it. See previous post.
Oh I already read through all of your posts, and while you clearly display some concern, I'm still trying to figure out for what.

I'm not trying to attack you, quite the contrary, I just want to understand why having multiple clients is in your opinion a bad thing.

From what I can tell, there really isn't a cause for concern. If someone wants multiple clients, then so be it.
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Barefoot_Monkey: Try opening the command prompt as administrator (in the Start menu, start typing "command prompt" and, when it appears, right click it and select "Run as administrator") and using the prompt to enter the following two commands:
regsvr32 -u c:\windows\system32\gameux.dll
regsvr32 -u c:\windows\SysWOW64\gameux.dll

That should disable Games Explorer on your computer. Hopefully it will stay disabled, but updates or other might conditions might bring it back occasionally.
Thanks for the tip!
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InkPanther: You can put all GOG shortcuts into single separate folder.
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HereForTheBeer: That's what I do, with that folder having a link on the desktop, and the same thing with the manuals in another folder. It doesn't require any sort of third-party app to accomplish, doesn't turn gOg into something like Steam, doesn't leave a launcher program running in the background, and is simple enough that my mom can figure it out.
I do the exact same thing. It's simple and it works like a charm. I neither want nor have any use for a game launcher.
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Thundaman: I am sure this topic has been created earlier in many forms and suggestions but I would like to take it a step further if you all dont mind.

Here is my thoughts...
Currently in my GoG library i have a good collection of games i have bought all because they are awesome but also because GoG has treated them with respect and made then all playable in our new Modern Operating systems.

Meanwhile one of my biggest annoyances is finding the start icons to play them.
Now Steam has done it , as has Origin, Uplay, Desura and even Green Man gaming and Capsule. The thing is, I rate GoG higher than most of these and yet they dont give me a game launcher to play all my favorite games, a place where I can see, patch, tweak and play all my GoG games only.

To the GoG team, have you guys even considered this?
It would be awesome.
Hell, I wouldnt even mind it launching with a news page and even a Store Front to buy the GoG games.
It's a great idea that has been discussed quite a lot on the forums over a long period of time. I wont be the least bit surprised to see GOG create such a launcher eventually or even integrate such functionality directly into the installer as there is heavy demand for it. There are however a lot of people out there with irrational fears that if GOG creates any code of any kind whatsoever to do anything to improve the gaming experience for their customers in an optional way, that this is a "slippery slope" that will turn GOG into Steam and they equate "Steam == DRM" which basically is an irrational view that if GOG does anything at all whatsoever to provide customers who want it with an optional tool to make their life more convenient, that GOG will turn into Steam.

I for one certainly hope that GOG does not allow this irrational mindset to control or prevent them from innovating their platform to provide such optional features to people who would love to see them. People who do not want to have such features can simply ignore that they exist and never use them and everyone is happy.

The entire userbase of GOG customers shouldn't be punished to never see any innovation from GOG due to the irrational fears of a small minority of highly vocal people. If GOG can't be trusted to do such an optional thing by such people, then I wonder why they are GOG customers to begin with now if they don't trust them with such things.

Not only do I welcome a "GOG client" with open arms, I think it is a great idea and will attract 1000 times as many customers to shop at GOG.com than the minority of people who go into a rage about an optional feature they never need to use or care about and stop being a customer here. People take things too seriously and get far too emotional over this stuff. There are pills for that. ;o)
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mqstout: No thanks. the OS (or one of 9856498573498573498 3rd party programs) handles shortcuts an program launching no problem.

It DOES irritate me that the newest GOG installers don't create program groups/shortcuts, though, in the start menu in Win7/8. It seems to put them in the stupid Windows Game Center, only.
Continued from my post above....

gog member Martek taught me how to take a snipping tool screenshot so it's attached below.

If this is what you're talking about, and yours isn't doing it, is it possible that having the gog downloader installed first, and thus initially creating the Start Menu group Gog.com, why mine does have a program group for gog games??? I'm on Windows 7, 64-bit Home Edition.
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Post edited April 29, 2014 by OldFatGuy
I wouldn't call it an irrational fear. For myself, it's more of a KISS thing. If we can accomplish the same thing with a simple drag-and-drop into a couple folders with shortcuts that directly launch the games, then I find that preferable to a client that does the exact same thing but that also adds a bit more to the registry, gets updated periodically to fix this or that bug, etc.

But hey - so long as it's completely optional then I suppose I don't really care unless it DOES shift things, that are separate from the client, toward a more Steam-like experience.

I understand the appeal but I'm an old-school gamer from the DOS days of boot disks, but from modern-day experience I also understand that streamlining this stuff can end up being more messy than just doing it with the tools already present within the OS.