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spinefarm: I'm a self respecting GOG user and didn't own Fallout on GOG... I have my original Fallout CD ..and was going to buy it. So yes I'm happy for their thank you gift.
Exactly the same here: i'm nearly a day-one subscriber of GOG, with no Fallout on my account until yesteday, since i own 1&2 on disk.

It's a free, nice game: you don't have to write poems to thank the staff, or build them a monument in your home town, but they certanly don't deserve the crap they (and some genuine thankfull users) are getting for that...
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spinefarm: I'm a self respecting GOG user and didn't own Fallout on GOG... I have my original Fallout CD ..and was going to buy it. So yes I'm happy for their thank you gift.
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Antaniserse: Exactly the same here: i'm nearly a day-one subscriber of GOG, with no Fallout on my account until yesteday, since i own 1&2 on disk.

It's a free, nice game: you don't have to write poems to thank the staff, or build them a monument in your home town, but they certanly don't deserve the crap they (and some genuine thankfull users) are getting for that...
The funny thing is that none of the people who got the whole GOG catalogue complained about it :)
Now does the discussion GOG's "emotional pricing" turn into yet another "rant over freebie rant"?
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PhoenixWright: Honestly I don't think consumers have the self-discipline to manage how many games they buy, and flooding the market with crap is not good either.

The way to compete with Steam is surely not to match 75% discounts. If you think the product is the same on both then you don't appreciate the finer points of GOG enough to see why it would never be reasonable for them to discount games so drastically.
Speak for yourself. Maybe YOU don't have the self -discipline. You think everyone just runs out and buys wtfever cause it's on sale? Really now. I primarily hunt and wait for deals on the shit I want. I haven't jumped up and bought a new release in I don't know how fucking long. I can't even remember what the last new game I bought was. Goblin Commander for the PS2 maybe? Fucking hell. This has got to be one of the stupidest things I've heard in a long time. And that includes what was quoted by the OP. [sarcasm]Folks are just too dumb and stupid to be trusted with their own money and "heavily discounted" sales are the devil... [/sarcasm]
Post edited April 07, 2012 by the_bard
Honestly , how many of us buying Steam games on the release date at full price ?
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Pheace: I'm confused... The end result is the same, except you strip some of the common marketing/advertising mechanics, like paying premium price for something giving it 'added value' to some people (Day 1 purchases of high priced games), having successful sales that excite people (which let's face it, is not going away, unless competition goes away).
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TheEnigmaticT: The point was that it seems to me that we've lost a lot of our emotional connection with games, and I think pricing's part of it. [...] Now, it's so easy to get games at such ridiculously cheap prices that I'll buy games I don't even want [...]
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spindown: How does this square with GOG advertising their games as being "dirt cheap"?
These two points really stuck out in my mind as problems that I have with TET's argument. Price alone was and always has been one of GOG's selling points, even more so with their Weekly Gem and Weekend Promo offers. How does that not make GOG part of the problem that he was arguing against?

There are many ways to argue that GOG is a superior store to Steam but I don't think that this is one of them.
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grviper: Now does the discussion GOG's "emotional pricing" turn into yet another "rant over freebie rant"?
That may or may not come after the obligatory rant about System Shock 2 or violent demands that GOG should make Linux/Mac ports of their entire catalog. :)
Post edited April 07, 2012 by rampancy
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ne_zavarj: Honestly , how many of us buying Steam games on the release date at full price ?
Hmm, off the top of my head... Kingdoms of Amalur, Jagged Alliance Back in Action, Recettear, Orcs Must Die, Chantelise.

Kind of regret Kingdoms of Amalur since it makes me motion sick >.<
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TheEnigmaticT: You're missing my point; you're better off charging a fair price up front for the value you're providing and then not discounting heavily after the fact. That means that more gamers are willing to buy your game at full price, and when you put it on a more reasonable sale, you aren't driving people to buy it just because it is so cheap right now.

As a consumer, of course steep sales are more attractive. I'm not convinced as a gamer, I like what they say about the product that the games industry makes.

EDIT:clarity. And spelling.
I want to respond to this, but first I just want to note that it is really nice that you are taking the time to talk this out with us, your customers. I appreciate that.

I think the point you are making in your first paragraph is interesting and holds true for me. In the old GOG model where all games were either $5.99 or $9.99, this was definitely true for me (that may or may not hold with the new price points. Too soon to tell). At GOG, I don't always wait for sales like I do on Steam. Those two prices are low enough that if I really want a game, I will just buy it. If I am only mildly interested though, I'll wait for a sale. Some games are instabuys at the $5.99 and even $9.99 price points though. I bought all of the D&D games. I bought Outcast. I bought Realms of the Haunting. And recently I bought Syndicate and Lands of Lore 1+2 (just because I'm excited for the upcoming Legend of Grimrock, which I have preordered). There are a bunch of others as well, but I won't bore you with the details. I've purchased a lot of games on sale at GOG too, of course, but because of the lower standard price at GOG.com combined with DRM-Free and bonus goodies, I do buy more games at full price here than I ever do at Steam and I do so happily.

On the point of your second paragraph, I'm still not sure convinced one way or the other about this either. I get a certain sense that games in general feel like they are of little value when they are sold for little cost, and therefore feel more disposable. On the other hand, many of the games I most cherish I got for little money. It's an important issue for digital distribution business though. Traditional pricing methods are unusual in this arena because old supply-demand models don't really apply. You have unlimited supply when we are talking about digital copies. It is then simply a matter of perceived worth of the digital product and whether people are willing to pay it, and whether you can manufacture the demand. GOG adds to perceived product value by also adding a service. A lot of what I feel I am paying for at GOG is the service to get my game working on a modern OS and to have DRM removed. I have even purchased games at GOG that I already own an old hard copy of for that very reason.
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XmXFLUXmX: The people defending GoG and their underhanded, passive-aggressive marketing campaign, and current leaning towards price gouging and non competitive pricing reminds me of this article:

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/EA-Viral-Marketing-Exposed-Big-Buyout-Horizon-40885.html


GoG should've stayed in the retro market, instead of jumping blindly into a market they could never compete in.
Seriously, what the Hell is your problem? Haven't you heard of giving someone the benefit of the doubt?
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excalibunny: Gog is selling out, and they are trying to justify it with bullshit logic. Sorry, but you can get plenty of classics novels from the library for free, it does not reduce their quality. Some of you poster on this board are the biggest sheep I've ever seen. Also, enjoy the "thank you" that any self respecting GOG user already owned.
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spinefarm: I'm a self respecting GOG user and didn't own Fallout on GOG... I have my original Fallout CD ..and was going to buy it. So yes I'm happy for their thank you gift.
I'm sheep why? Cause for 4 months here I didn't had a single issue with GOG. Cause the community here is better than on Steam? Cause Valve are trying to take the whole market for themselfs with disscounts like that?

The easiest way to bring someone out of buisness is like that. You sell for some time on amazing disscounts... and voala... either he sells like you(but he can't afford it cause he is small...or he's out)

Ah and btw you are a steam-sheep than :) Cause you believe that Gabe care about Steam...he only cares about the cash and their support shows it perfectly ;)
Dude, you've been here for under 4 months... of course you don't have that many games....also...do you like.... when I write like....you? Unnecessary pauses....are fun.


"The easiest way to bring someone out of buisness is like that. You sell for some time on amazing disscounts... and voala... either he sells like you(but he can't afford it cause he is small...or he's out)"

Don't even know what you're trying to say here.

"Ah and btw you are a steam-sheep than :) Cause you believe that Gabe care about Steam...he only cares about the cash and their support shows it perfectly ;)"

No, I'm not a steam sheep. I'm an early adapter of gog, and I've been here in years for how long you've been here in months. I don't classify myself as a fanboy of any company, but here you are blindly defending a company you've used for under a third of a year.
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the_bard: Speak for yourself. Maybe YOU don't have the self -discipline. You think everyone just runs out and buys wtfever cause it's on sale? Really now.
Yeah, I think they do. I guess we can agree to disagree, it wasn't a personal attack.
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jungletoad: On the point of your second paragraph, I'm still not sure convinced one way or the other about this either. I get a certain sense that games in general feel like they are of little value when they are sold for little cost, and therefore feel more disposable. On the other hand, many of the games I most cherish I got for little money. It's an important issue for digital distribution business though. Traditional pricing methods are unusual in this arena because old supply-demand models don't really apply. You have unlimited supply when we are talking about digital copies. It is then simply a matter of perceived worth of the digital product and whether people are willing to pay it, and whether you can manufacture the demand. GOG adds to perceived product value by also adding a service. A lot of what I feel I am paying for at GOG is the service to get my game working on a modern OS and to have DRM removed. I have even purchased games at GOG that I already own an old hard copy of for that very reason.
The perceived lowered worth of a low cost game is a joke to me. My wife is addicted to Plants vs Zombies that we bought on the cheap. Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthy is my favorite novel and I rented it for free from the library. I first saw John Carpenters "The Thng" for 99 cents at a local vhs rental place. The perceived worth by price point is a joke. They are selling to a niche market that cares about classics, so they are not going to receive the same level of sales as something like steam. I only worry that they are not trying to go into the direction of something like GG or Steam.
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XmXFLUXmX: The people defending GoG and their underhanded, passive-aggressive marketing campaign, and current leaning towards price gouging and non competitive pricing reminds me of this article:

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/EA-Viral-Marketing-Exposed-Big-Buyout-Horizon-40885.html


GoG should've stayed in the retro market, instead of jumping blindly into a market they could never compete in.
...because that's how you respond in a conversation with people you disagree with; compare them to, and/or make a thinly-veiled accusation that they're paid shills astroturfing their own forums.
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excalibunny: Snip
So what's your point ? I don't have my point of view,cause I'm newer to GOG?

Let me ask you this... are there many supermarkets out there in US besides the big brands?
Let me put it this way: Steam is Wallmart, GOG is a lovely little shop. If you want to put that little shop out buisness you bring your prices down.
The little shop needs to keep with the pricing and with that it loose money ....do I need to continue?

About the steam-sheep I was refering to your classification on your previous post.
I'm not blindly defending anyone. I like GOG as a service and support. I like how TET comes here and joke with us,how most of the stuff members are involved in the forum(community). And I don't see that in Steam ... sorry but this is not blindly ;)
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spinefarm: Let me ask you this... are there many supermarkets out there in US besides the big brands?
Let me put it this way: Steam is Wallmart, GOG is a lovely little shop. If you want to put that little shop out buisness you bring your prices down.
The little shop needs to keep with the pricing and with that it loose money ....do I need to continue?
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gameon: I have to point out to people though, that a small company can become a big company if successful. GOG.com has the potential to be a big company, so i would hope it doesn't lose its "small scale" roots. Theres the saying "remember where you come from"
Yes it can become a big company,but not with 75-80% sales for sure. Let me ask people whining about it... does Steam made this big price drops when they started?