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gbaz69: [...] many are abandoned [...] and many have been abandoned.
Is there a list somewhere of abandoned games?
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Vainamoinen: Should gog actually implement that Early Access crap, maybe they could implement a feature that lets developers reward actual betatesting and feedback giving gog'ers with refunds for their game.
I wouldn't turn down a reward for beta testing, but I also do not expect one. For me it's fun to find bugs and typos in the game. It's like an added mini-game inside the game. Do I like paying extra for a the Beta, no, all the Betas I have played are for the Kickstarters where I get something else in exchange and back games I want to see made as opposed to another CoD game. So, I haven't felt like I was paying extra for the Beta.
Post edited May 20, 2014 by VABlitz
I would love to see GOG adopt an Early Access program and agree it's essential for them to compete. It's lame that Steam gets an initial monopoly on high profile titles expected to eventually be on GOG, like Original Sin or Wasterland 2, because GOG doesn't offer Early Access.

Provided GOG vets the quality of titles to minimize scams and ensure Early Access material is reasonable then let the buyer beware of the incomplete nature of some games. In some cases, most recently with the Don't Stave DLC or even Unepic's multiplayer, it even seems like games in Early Access are basically complete worthy games just in final bug tests.
GOG is missing out on a shitton of good stuff as a result of this early crap.

I don't quite agree with the early access system, but I suspect that there were a few developers that were turned off to GOG because of not being able to charge for alphas.
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StingingVelvet: Just don't buy them. Your preferences should not apply to everyone.
It would represent a further watering down of their standards. Preorders are something that I don't like, but where I think people can make up their own mind, but I don't think that taking money for games that aren't even finished is a good idea.

I didn't like them bringing new games for similar reasons, until a game has been out there for at least a few years, it's difficult to properly assess how good it is. I spend a lot more time researching games before purchase now than I used to because I can't count on all the games being worth buying, let alone running on my computer.
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gbaz69: [...] many are abandoned [...] and many have been abandoned.
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Pheace: Is there a list somewhere of abandoned games?
It's a bit early to tell, but just at a five-minute glance, Smashmuck Champions, Steel Storm: AMMO, Gravi, Kingdom Rise and Damned all look to be likely candidates. Towns notwithstanding of course.

There are others whose development has been extremely protracted to the point where the dev has lost all credibility - most notably Ugly Baby, which has been in a state of pre-release since 2011.
Post edited May 20, 2014 by jamyskis
Selling a game in its alpha or even beta phase is a shame. I'm not sure that it's really helping indie/alt developpers in a good way, and even for the video game industry in general.

Early access, day 1 dlc release, pre-orders before press and public reviews, steam keys, bundles of 6 six games for a buck or two, "shovelwares" etc : all those things are premises of an upcoming crisis.

I believe that GoG must open a different way (out ?). Everytime I look at the steam (and even greenlight) I do a facepalm.

Innovate !
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hedwards: It would represent a further watering down of their standards. Preorders are something that I don't like, but where I think people can make up their own mind, but I don't think that taking money for games that aren't even finished is a good idea.

I didn't like them bringing new games for similar reasons, until a game has been out there for at least a few years, it's difficult to properly assess how good it is. I spend a lot more time researching games before purchase now than I used to because I can't count on all the games being worth buying, let alone running on my computer.
What their standards are seems to vary person to person, and largely dependent on that person's passions. "I hate DLC!" or "I hate pre-ordering!" and on down the line. I'm not blind to the fact GOG started selling new games, which originally they didn't plan to do, but I will point out a lot of people mainly here for the DRM free part asked them to sell as many games as possible. So it really all depends on who you ask.

Personally I'm not interested in early access games, but as long as they are DRM free I don't see it being very different from GOG's core model today.
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Pheace: Is there a list somewhere of abandoned games?
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jamyskis: It's a bit early to tell, but just at a five-minute glance, Smashmuck Champions, Steel Storm: AMMO, Gravi, Kingdom Rise and Damned all look to be likely candidates. Towns notwithstanding of course.

There are others whose development has been extremely protracted to the point where the dev has lost all credibility - most notably Ugly Baby, which has been in a state of pre-release since 2011.
Towns wasn't an Early Access game so that one isn't really relevant there. The others don't sound confirmed either. I'm more interested in a list of confirmed pulled/abandoned games. Like Earth 2066, though that was pulled for deceptive marketing supposedly.
Post edited May 20, 2014 by Pheace
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Pheace: Towns wasn't an Early Access game so that one isn't really relevant there. The others don't sound confirmed either. I'm more interested in a list of confirmed pulled/abandoned games. Like Earth 2066, though that was pulled for deceptive marketing supposedly.
Towns was almost certainly an Early Access game in all but name. Just because it didn't have the little blue flag doesn't mean it wasn't in an acknowledged pre-release state.

And if you're waiting for a list of "confirmed" abandoned games, you're likely to be waiting for a long time. Most developers abandoning their games are unlikely to publicly announce their abandonment - it would simply be easier, less embarrassing and legally more viable to let the project sit there and fester.
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jamyskis: It's a bit early to tell, but just at a five-minute glance, Smashmuck Champions, Steel Storm: AMMO, Gravi, Kingdom Rise and Damned all look to be likely candidates. Towns notwithstanding of course.

There are others whose development has been extremely protracted to the point where the dev has lost all credibility - most notably Ugly Baby, which has been in a state of pre-release since 2011.
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Pheace: Towns wasn't an Early Access game so that one isn't really relevant there. The others don't sound confirmed either. I'm more interested in a list of confirmed pulled/abandoned games. Like Earth 2066, though that was pulled for deceptive marketing supposedly.
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3071895
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3204717
Thanks, but I meant specifically for Early Access, I don't see a list for those on there.
I personally dont want Early Access games, but its up to GoG. Not blaming them for wanting those games (just look at thte top selelrs on Steam: Day Z and Rust for example)

Just afraid that it will shift focus even more from older games. I know theres a limit to old games they can release though. :P
If there is an active beta and there are pre-orders being offered, it would be unreasonable in my view not to provide beta access to the paying customers. Whether you choose to exercise the option is up to you, but if someone is willing to put their money down on the game they should have the ability to play the latest beta builds if they want. That's not to say there aren't problems with early access, but in my view those problems are variations of the ones that can occur with any pre-order: you might not be happy with the end-product.

I'm very interested to see how GOG handles early access. I'm certain they're well aware of the shortcomings of early access elsewhere and are looking at how to do things differently. Having a curated environment with DRM-free delivery sounds quite appealing.
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P1na: I actually agree with some of those higher prices: they want the game sold on release, but they make the game available earlier for very dedicated people who want to actually contribute to the game via bug reporting and such. They don't want the public at large buying their game yet (as is the goal on most early access), they want only a few comitted individuals to help them out. If you're not comitted enough, just buy the game when it actually releases. It isn't that hard.

Not that I like early access games, but one thing is one thing and the other thing is another thing. And there was one last thing but it ran away through the window.
I agree with this post and additionally, they should not admit everybody, of course.