Really??!! Now if I was one of those roles, do you really really think I would claim Town Miller as a prank?!!

Massive FoS Taleroth for even thinking a jester / prankster would choose that as a good way to go, then casually suggesting a lynch anyway...

Why not?

So, because I don't want a quick-lynch of someone who might not be mafia, I am mafia? ViolatorX has no other votes, Rob does. I'm much more comfortable with leaving Violator at L-6 than I am putting Rob at L-4. Basically you're saying I'm too townie.

Because theres countless other roles i could have picked that would
a) ensure I have a chance of surviving to the end of the game
b) caused a lot more chaos than simply Town Miller, who has no power at all

ROB:

Regarding surviving to the endame.
A Jester wouldn't want to.

Actually the jester speculation is kinda funny and would be semi fitting (though that role is somewhat of a letdown after the first day), although it doesn't look like Robb is trying to get lynched either (past his initial claim) so somehow I doubt that's it heh. But to be safe, if we want to lynch Robb, make sure it's the 2nd day on at least then. Still prefer a town vig (if any) a couple days down the road to get 'im though, saves the lynch.

Also @Orry,
L-4 isn't lynch territory, not when there are only 12 people. It's just barely halfway to a lynch. In fact if he DOES get quicklynched, or approaches it by other bandwagon votes (since he already claimed), we'll likely be able to analyze that wagon for a ton of info too.

Generally early votes are for pressure, to see how they respond, because Mafia tend to buckle under pressure and slip up (not that town doesn't, too, but the game wouldn't get anywhere if no one votes). FoS's don't count as pressure votes so they're more like an admonishment.

There are many other people without votes. RVS votes are for fun, wacky reasons like "ViolaterX has no votes". The purpose of RVS is to generate discussion though, and remember the only guaranteed weapon Town has is their vote, so once they have suspects, the votes should be moving around to try to pressure out scum.

By FoSing person B because you have a weak reason to suspect, when the current vote is for person A with a nonexistent reason, I don't see townie motivation in that at all. I see giving a reason, and then refusing to put the vote because you're gun-shy and know he's not really Mafia.

The way I see Rob's play so far is, he's not afraid to die, as his claim is not conducive to endgame survival and he hasn't argued against being lynched/vigged eventually. Thus it's likely a good claim (or he's a good liar - never can be too sure!), and is safe in the knowledge that he will win with the town even if he's out of the game.

I've explained the reasons I've done what I've done. Take those reasons as 'idiot' reasons if you like.

As for 'claiming a role you dont have has no power' - again, you sure??.....so if i had claimed cop, then tomorrow said i investigated you and you turned up mafia, thats got no power??

You make little sense, sir (or madam).

Its not actually if its true or not, its what you make people believe. Theres no reason for wanting to make people to believe Im the Town Miller, apart from the turning up guilty bit.

What happens when the real cop shows up? Or I claim miller?

But that sounds fun. Give it a try. Let's see what happens.

Good grief, I turn my back on the thread for a moment and suddenly everything happens at once. :P

Robbeasy, I suppose you have every right to know my own logic - as far as I can tell, the Mafia will start by attempting to eliminate our power roles. If you are the Miller, while admittedly your reveal protects yourself, you've revealing yourself as a lower priority target. Thus they'll go for the rest of the Townie throats, as there's now a slightly better chance of eliminating a power role from the rest of us. So a move can both be good for a townie and bad for the town.

@ Taleroth - very antagonistic, not sure what your game is here at all, but it sure aint very Town-like...

anyways..

@ Rodzaju - if i was Jester , i would be pushing you to Lynch me now, and believe me thats the last thing I want. I know I cant survive till the end, but will win if town wins, so like I've already said, I made the only play I could as Town Miller.

One positive thing it has done already - moved us off the RVS stage and into some proper discussion and reads.

@ ROB:

I must say, that I am starting to believe some of the arguements in your defence.
More Jess's points to be fair.
Make of that what you will.

However, I don't have any other suspects yet & you're nowhere near Lynch, so I'll leave my vote for now, just in case.

You have managed to move us out of RVS.
I did that in #4 with an unforced (& unintended!) claim.
Look how that turned out ;p

Indeed. You don't have any other suspects? Could I please ask you what your opinion on nmillar is at this moment?

Ehh. I'm just saying. All things considered, you're either worthless to the town or you're a hindrance. Whether you're a Jester or Millar, your only power is to get in the way.

If I wanted to be anti-Town, I'd like you for those facts.

@ Jess:

Not much so far.
Several posts, but most of them not particularly serious.
Only the last post says anything at all, & that's a fairly wishy-washy "I agree with Jess".

Total read: Vocal, but not saying much.
So far in this game, the only people who have said anything of note have been either attacking or defending Rob.