Yes, that's what I meant.

I think the best way forward is to lynch ViolatorX. If he turns out to be the Carpenter, then Vitek is lying.

The real irony is that every piece of information you have released is info I have already guessed at.
So your claim to encourage me to trust you is managing the opposite.

Vote Vitek

Yes, but it's glaringly obvious that ViolatorX is mafia.

The "The butter's spread too thick" votecount

ViolatorX - 2 - Vitek, nmillar
Vitek - 2 - ViolatorX. Rodzaju

Not voting: QuadrAlien, Orryyrro

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. It's about a week before sunset. Not that it really matters, I suppose.

OK, I answered the way you expected and this assured you I am mafia? Well then.

Question to you. Don't you think Violator is mafia? If you don't, why?

Yes, I do think Violator could be mafia.
I also think you, Nmillar & Orry could be mafia.
I can't be right on all of you.

In fact the only person who has given me no reason to suspect them so far is Quad.

Nmillar, I am starting to think may not be.
But she has spent 2 days singlemindedly obsessing over Violator.
Granted, I can see where that suspicion comes from, but not that certainty.
Given that we are at mylo, I see this as a dangerous & potentially scummy position to take.

Purely by the amount he's NOT saying, my suspicion of Orry is growing, as well.

I'm pretty sure the case against ViolatorX is sound - though to show my own logic, as well as what I and other people have previously mentioned, there's one more point towards his guilt that I can see.

It is in his so-called "controlled" post that he brings up his worry over there being so many cops claiming in the game, and despite the explanation of the difference by Rodzaju and one of them turning out to be lying, he's still worried in post #497. This indicates to me that it's still the same person talking both times. (Or possibly people, if the character at least is the truth, though I may be blurring the line between player and character here)

I might have misinterpreted how much of the post would be controlled, admittedly, but then I don't know of a role which matches his description of what was happening to him.

Vote ViolatorX

I haven't been able to find such a role either, and believe me, I've looked!
But then I didn't believe jester could be mafia.
I thought that was a straight 3rd party role.

The problem as I see it:

Nmillar – Way too focused on lynching Violator.
As a mislynch will give the win to Mafia, the risk here is obvious.

Orry – Lurking WAY too much
Very Suspicous.

Violator – A bizzarre claim & not a very believable one.
Very Suspicous.

Vitek – Walrus is NOT a friendly neighbour.
He EATS his neighbours.
The only friend he has (Carpenter) is dead, according to you.
Another unlikely claim.
Another Very Suspicous.

Now you can’t all be mafia.
We cannot afford to get the wrong one.
Perhaps we should vote Nolynch & let any undeclared investigators go at it....

Unvote Vitek, Vote Nolynch

It was something at the tea he was pouring it drugged me into being mindless and could only follow his orders. Now that he is dead I have control over my actions.

I had no such ability as a neighbouthood watch is was made up by typhoon.

@quad why would the mafia not post a kill day 1, even if he was a jester wouldnt he still need to eliminate the town to win?

Investigate me/block me do whatever you'll clearly see that im telling the truth when someone else dies.

Where is orry anyway? I think hes just going to jump in with a vote for me and potentially end the game but seeing as the town just want to sit on the fence and pop vote the next person that speaks out so be it.

3 I suspect are orry,vitek and nmillar but seeing as orryyro has been on everyones radar throughout the game and yet somehow again has been pushed back from the pile.I fear hes going to jump on the bandwagon on my vote and cause us to lose the game.

Vote orryyro

I'm always on everyone's radar. (See: Mafia 3) Also, you didn't answer my question, what was the purpose of phrasing your first post today how you did, it did nothing but make you look scummy.

I guess there are no undeclared investigators anymore. Remember we already have tracker and cop dead. Thasn it's claimed flavour cop a.k.a. you and I don't believe there is someone else.

That leads me to thinking about you. You have claimed investigative ability and was neither blocked nor killed at night.

Maybe because you mostly post one-liners. Your posts are even shorter than in Mafia 3, as you were trying not to say something wrong. That's one of the reasons.

At a guess, I'd say it is because I don't give clear, definitive results.
I can't say you're town or mafia.
I don't get role info.
My results are very much open to interpretation (see the Nmillar tussle at the start of day 2).

If I had to interpret mafia motives (and NO, I don't have any inside info on this) I would guess that they see me as little threat & are more interested in looking for more powerful roles.

I've been sitting here for quite some time now trying to work out a statement for how to move the game forward, but I'm having trouble. So I'll post what I think so far anyway.

One thing I'll note is that from what I can see, for this situation to be deadlocked for so long, either all the mafia must be on this bandwagon already, or ViolatorX must be scum (whether Mafia exist on the bandwagon being unknown if the latter is the case). Otherwise, assuming a total of 3 mafia players in the game (as seems to have been the case in the other games, I believe) they could just end the game now.

Unfortunately, I'm not sure that me stating this gets us out of the deadlock, as Rodzaju has a suitable number of suspects on either side NMillar and Vitek seem convinced, and Orryyrro... well, I'm not entirely sure what Orryyrro's thinking, but I still don't like the look of it, to be honest - he could be attempting to distance himself while not wanting to actually finish ViolatorX off.


@ViolatorX: I'm afraid I've no idea what exact goals a combined Mafia/Jester player would have - it could have just been his lynching. I could point out, though, that your "mindless" statement implies you had no control whatsoever, which gives me the conclusion I needed to convince myself of my previous logic that you are the same person as before (see #518), so my vote stays. Not to mention the power would probably be stated as one Typhoon had when he died, AND your suggestion for night activity ignores both the suggestions there is no Town roleblocker and that there could well be another Mafia member remaining.

@Orryyrro: I believe he started off today by attempting to roleplay Tweedledum and Tweedledee, if it helps. Though it does bring up the interesting point that if characters go about in pairs in Wonderland, then our mod seems to have a tendency to kill one of them off if Vitek here is to be believed, given Typhoon's death mentioning him having murdered the Hatter.