Good thing I didn't lie. I'm simply refusing to answer you.

Like he's been useful at any point while he's been alive. I still maintain that he is being out-and-out moronic with his "in danger" talk, and that he's been grasping at straws since his first glimpse at the lynch mob. If anything, us trying to get him to be clear is only going to push us into an extended discussion that may push us over the deadline.

So to clarify you avenged killing fexen by killing the person that everyone pretty much thought was the most likely to be town after his claim? Pretty stupid really as we win as a town and this has done anything but avenge him really as losing another town makes us more likely to lose.

With that brilliant theory I can safely say my vote is staying where it is as even if you do somehow flip town after this you are a liability anyway

Aaah. Gotcha. That would be why the dictionary didn't contain it. :P And what Orry said, I agree, that is very important information to withhold, for the simple reason that it locks you into a claim.

That bit of role related info for me anyway puts that guess of Rod's earlier about the Mafia non-killing in a much shadier light. Hopefully he's around to shed some light on it before the day ends.

I would prefer not to speedlynch Rod despite my vote, though, because even if that was an "in the know" statement, there are other townie explanations for it (that would be pure speculation, but not out of the realms of possibility). But my vote is on him because I don't want to lynch Tale or Quad at the moment, I think both are townier than he is (pending Tale's full claim). And because I will be on several more times before deadline.

But I agree strongly with Orry, that detail is crucial, even if it means your death - because if you are town, you shouldn't be afraid to die with town especially if you are out of charges already. But we can't know for example that you aren't an SK (who also has a string of night kills, though I don't think that is what you are).

Typhoon, the problem with killing a town vig, if he is a town vig, is that Mafia has a vested interest in killing it already, regardless of if he claims to have any bullets left, so why lynch him for them?

Because, frankly, I don't think that he IS a town vigilante. If he has more than one bullet, then he is a liability to the town (with that supremo justification for nightkills, eh?). If he only had one bullet, THEN HE WASTED IT ON SOMEONE WHO WAS PRACTICALLY GUARENTEED A LYNCH ANYWAYS!

Sorry for the all-caps, but people seem to be missing the important part about this. He killed someone OUT. OF. REVENGE.

Vigilantes, one shot or not, should NEVER act like a serial killer. He didn't HAVE to kill anyone. But he DID.

FOR NO REASON.

I think he is either a serial killer, or the biggest liability that this town has ever seen.

Isn't it convenient how he latched right on to Rod's theory, than span it in a way to bandwagon someone else? Please.

If you're such an important role then why were you so willing to lynch yourself on Day 1? Calling our bluff that we wouldn't do it?

Hrm. Good points. I glossed over the "avenge" part of the role reveal, and Twilight has a good question.

However in what I know of Mafia (for all I know I may be wrong and Zchinque is raging at me in the spectator thread) vigging the miller IS the right move to make as a town vig eventually, and if I had no confidence I'd live to the third day, I could see why the vig was done first night. The motive though.. hm.

I was hoping the discussion would have moved a bit more before I had to sleep, but I don't have much choice now.
unvote, vote Taleroth

Unvote
Okay, that vote's going nowhere on the night before deadline, and lynching Tale would probably reveal as much as that vote owuld even if Rod were awake, and Tale is at L-1 to boot. I will hammer in 7.5 hours or so to avoid no-lynch when I arrive at work (sorry baz) if the situation is the same then as it is now. Leaving some time as I head to bed now for others to say their peace.

I am still really uncomfortable, as stated earlier, with the information Tale chooses to withhold, because without revealing that knowledge, you could be a serial killer (if you were an every-night vig but couldn't not fire on any given night to prove you weren't an SK) or could conveniently wait for the chips to fall as they are first, then explain away future nights' kills, or lack of kills etc, as an odd/even night thing or limited-shot vig or something.

but I still can't see that as a Mafia play because at this point Mafia would be doing everything they can to appease the voters on their wagon to avoid being lynched, and Tale again isn't doing that. If you are Mafia, well played in staying away from conventions (and they're conventions that Mafia stay away from for good reason as they are in the process of getting you mislynched if you are Town.)

The "Somebody killed something: that's clear, at any rate" votecount

Taleroth - 5 - Typhoon45, nmillar, ViolatorX, TwilightBard, Orryyrro
QuadrAlien - 1 - Vitek
Orryyrro - 1 - QuadrAlien
Rodzaju - 1 - Taleroth
ViolatorX - 1 - Rodzaju

Not voting: jesskitten

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. It's 10 hours before sunset.

(And incidentally, there is no spectator thread.)

I thought I had explained this to Jess.

At the start of the day, everyone was saying “Well that’s weird. Why would the mafia lynch Rob?”
I agree with this. It seems counter-intuitive.
As has been previously noted, town would have to kill Rob at some point. Mafia should have let them.
If town are targetting someone who is (almost certainly) town, they are not targetting mafia.

I could not come up with a solid explanation for mafia killing Rob.
So the next logical line of enquiry became “If it makes no sense for mafia to kill him, perhaps they didn’t”.
Now if that is the case, what happened to mafia NK?
This started a thought process that ended in my post 278.
I think I explained it a little better in 283.

Can you tell use some flavour? As how you kill your targets.
You can't quote the mod PM's but you can describe them in your own word.
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Good question from Twilight, I'd like it explained too.

@Typhoon. He was not guaranteed lynch. We were talking about vigging him. But later and not for some dubious reasons. He would have to be viggged if we were approaching dangerous part of game, when we couldn't afford keepeing such dangerous element around.

If he is speaking thruth there are 3 possibilities of last night, right?
1. Mafia targeted the same target. Unlikely. As we discussed before, why would they do it. But it's interesting to read discussion after Rob's death and try to find there something. I admit I haven't done so myself, I am too hungry and want to be done with this post.

2. Mafia targeted the same target as doc did. Good luck for us then and grats to doc. This assumes we have doc of course which may or may not be true. In this case it's no way to confirm this without doc coming out and this is not a option.

3. We have roleblocker and hemanaged to block mafia player carrying out kill. Grats to blocker then. In this case it could help us to find the mafia. But it would need roleblocker to come out and I am not sure it is worth the risk. If he was only outed role than sure, I would be i favour of this but not with vig already outed.

As I said this goes only if Taleroth is honest and I am not too convinced of this.
For now I am going to unvote QuadrAlien and vote Rodzaju.
I am not convinced he is mafia because of his speculation either but I want to palce my vote for now,. I'll be around anyway and can will change it when needed.

The Bandersnatch isn't a bird ... it used it's jaw to kill it's victims ...

So, what you're saying is that we should lynch Bazilisek? I'm right behind you.