I've already addressed this; I bought Rodzaju's claim that the was third-party (as a few others did), hence my reluctance to lynch him. Saying that, I did put him at L-1 on Day 1! . And you may have missed my hint about my role on Day 2. [url=http://www.gog.com/en/forum/general/gog_mafia_4_nightmare_of_the_household_appliances/post424]Here.

There's an easy way to solve this. If we go for a no lynch today, then I can role block GhostQlyph again tonight. If nobody dies, then that proves GhostQlyph is mafia.

I hate no lynches though, so my vote stays with GhostQlyph.

Ok, I've had a think and realised that I have no reason to believe Elbaz isn't mafia (not that he necessarily is). I am relatively certain that GhostQlyph isn't mafia, but not 100%. I wish everyone else would hurry up and come back to the thread.

Is it not possible that the mafia missed the night action deadline because of the shorter night?

It's possible, but I don't think Damnation would have allowed that to happen. There are only two possibilities that I can see:

GhostQlyph is mafia and my role block prevented the night kill; or

We have a doctor who protected whoever the intended victim was.

Man, the post game breakdown is sounding like it's going to be complicated. :B

I got back late again, sorry everyone.

I was indeed roleblocked last night. Since I have no more uses of my powers I'll roleclaim.

The Kettle, Town Jack-of-All-Trades.

First night I investigated Vitek. It was a poor and ill-considered choice, and ended up being worse still when he got killed. (Obviously, he came up town.)

Last night, I was tracking TwilightBard and was roleblocked. Obviously I got nothing.

The choices and timing do incriminate me but I have nothing with which to defend myself other than to say "don't roleblock me tonight, I have no powers so nobody dies" -- which would be an ill-considered move from the POV of anyone convinced I'm scum.

As a result of being cornered by my actions as far as anyone willing to believe I'm Mafia is concerned, I'll do as in my last game: this is all on you guys. I hope you make the right decision.

Ok - the only way this scenario could be true, ie both nmillar and Ghosts stories and roles being correct, is if we also have a doc who protected the intended victim last night.

Do I believe them? No, but at the moment it puts me in a bind. I'm more suspicious of nmillar, much more, than Ghost. But, if we lynch nmillar and turns out he was Town Roleblocker, then Ghosts story could also be true and we haven't proved anything, plus we lose a big power role.

If we lynch Ghost, and she turns up Town Jack-of-all-trades, then nmillars story could also be true. But we have less to lose by lynching ghost, as all her 'powers' are used up, by her own admission.

So in the interests of getting to the bottom of this claim and counter claim, although to me nmillar is more likely to be Mafia in my eyes, I'm gonna change my vote to Ghost - less risk for the town. If Ghost should turn up Mafia, it looks loads better for nmillar.

Unvote nmillar, vote GhostQlyph

Logically speaking this would appear top be the best course. It's clear the town can afford a couple more days of mislynch anyway. And since, being Town, I win with the town?

If this will clear your doubts and allow you to focus on targets less obviously in a bind, by all means lynch me. You have nothing to lose right now, and neither do I.

I would like to note that Mafia usually has a roleblocker in GOG Mafia, however. Obviously it would be preferable to knock out the last anti town role(s) as early as possible, but we have time to spare and all town win, alive or dead, if town can win at all.

It's all up to you guys.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't a jack of all trades have the ability to perform a one-time use of each of the other town roles? If so, then your claim suggests we have a cop and a tracker. In the same post, you admit to being role blocked, which would contradict the jack of all trades claim ... Surely if you were the jack of all trades, you would have a one-time role block use as well?

I havent trusted ghost from the start and she was very dismissive of my earlier arguement against her. Though I did read the previous game she was in she had a lyncher role herself so it is justified that she would be agressive towards another person.

Though the same style is being followed in this game also seems scummy maybe she sacrificed rod to shroud her from the limelight and with getting elbaz killed today could have been a quick lynch. Maybe even also to satisfy rodjazus win conditions, It isnt uncommon for the win condition to just be that said person is lynched? I am getting a strong town reading from elbaz so wont be doing that.

With there not being a NK and with your claim that she is blocked because of you I will keep my vote where it was yesterday.

I also find it a little suspicious that out of everyone that has claimed all the objects people have claimed kitchen based and nowhere else in the household. Vitek bought this matter up and died on day 1.

Im trying to make sense of wether rod was claiming the truth, maybe he just needed to have elbaz lynched and could have rebirthed as a member of the town like he claimed, though as he was a mafia could just be further lies to divert us.

I can see there being a twist somewhere in the tale, Im hoping my theory on Ghost is correct as I guessed 2 of them albeit by chance due to the posting pattterns for red baron(theres about 10 times on day one he posted at after or before rod) and rodjazu digging himself a large hole in day 1, With GG trying to kill one and frequently refering to baron is the "voice of reason" see her being the 3rd

Vote Ghostglypth

Ok, this is important. I wanted to see what GhostQlyph had to say first but what she's said has confirmed what I thought I knew, that she is the Kettle (Jack of All Trades). Her mention of being roleblocked confirms nmillar's story too. How common are mafia Jacks of All Trades? (I'm honestly asking, I don't know if they're common or not.)

In my eyes nmillar is slightly more likely to be mafia just because I've heard of mafia roleblocker before.

To counter the votes against GhostQlyph (because I honestly think we're making a mistake here), vote elbaz.

Also, a thought I've just had: If GhostQlyph was mafia, she might have denied being roleblocked in order to make nmillar sound more suspicious (I know I would if I was mafia).

Assuming the drawing of roles entirely random given that the first two mafia are players 1 and 3, it's still not any more likely for further mafia to be in the higher numbers than it is for them to be player 2. That's what random means. :P
I think I've probably made myself a NK target too, so you might be safe.

I know statistically it's just as likely, but the chance of 1, 2 and 3 coming up just seems less likely (even though it isn't). You know what I mean, right?

I know what you mean. Our human brains tell us that it should be less likely because we like to look for patterns and therefore think that a pattern forming should be less likely than a pattern not forming. :P But when you look at it mathematically you realise that it's no more or less likely... unfortunately.

I find it rather suspect that he has constantly refered to stats through this entire game my fos is on him if ghost flips town

I had doubts over ghosts orientation for a while now in fact the 2 I have and still suspect could be mafia are those 2, Maybe rod was telling the truth and it is that there is 4 mafia. My opinion and voting hasnt change unlike nmillars who has more of a vendetta against GG but till today hasnt voted for her.

Nmillars claim seems to be either false or he is bluffing over his role and has also mentioned about the town having a doctor GG could just be saying that she was blocked as their plan.

I think they could be the 1 or 2 that are, though I do suspect a 3rd person

Would we really have a jailer(protector and roleblocker) roleblocker(nmillar supposedly) and a doctor? seems a little stacked unless indeed there were 4 mafia.

The issue of who vitek was protecting has also remained unanswered unsure if he could have been guarding someone potentially scummy.