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After this I'm more convinced than ever that Rodzaju is lying and Elbaz is his scumbuddy. Read his defensive post above. I admit I got on nmillar's case, but nmillar isn't pushing an Elbaz lynchwagon from my read, though I did skim a bit so may have missed something. Rodzaju is pushing one though, but he leaves Rodzaju go with a mere head nod. That's not too scummy itself.

But Robb brings up the clincher. One fourth his normal size and a flattened electric cord. I totally missed that myself. We found one scum, regardless of what anyone says. That's Elbaz, our resident trash compactor.

You'll note that I said prior that Red Baron was trying to be the voice of reason while he was alive. That swung both ways now, I realize. He was being the devil's advocate for the town, delaying a choice between Elbaz and Rodzaju by always picking the opposite one. Right now Elbaz realizes Rodzaju is an easy lynch. He had no idea he was just as easy, because only Robb saw the one important part of the death scene for Vitek and he thought he was safe. But the death scene, combined with his and Rodzaju's poor choice to softclaim early and truthfully, makes for a poor recipe for the mafia.

I still say we lynch Rodzaju first. We know we have one of the (likely) two remaining Mafia. Why not make sure we have the other one?

Therefore: confirm vote.
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nmillar: Okay, to clarify for those who seem to have missed it. Vitek was a bodyguard and killed the attacker (Red_Baron) of whoever he defended (unknown), sacrificing himself in the process.
Not necessarily, and I feel that this is a very dangerous assumption. Until we find out at night what happens and how many people die, I think we should assume SK and not lynch so quickly and easily.

Also, let's look at the same flavor that we're currently using as an argument against Elbaz. His cord was melted apart...I don't see a dishwasher being capable of doing that. Call me crazy, but I think we should be very cautious about what's in front of us.

Which asks the question. Why are you stating with such clarity that Vitek killed Red_Baron? That's 1 out of 4 possibilities and only two people would benefit from people thinking that. A town vig with more then one shot, or an SK who can basically get another night before we are all hunting them.

I don't know, honestly I really feel like we're missing something here. I can't prove anything, I just have a feeling that we're being too narrowly focused.
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elbaz: Snip...
You're at l-2.
Anything to declare?
Can youi give us an explanation for Vitek being "compacted"?
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Robbeasy: Now what appliance could possibly change the size of something......trash COMPACTOR , anyone?
How did I miss this before? Vitek was found a quarter of his original size, and the trash compactor would be the obvious perpetrator. elbaz is mafia; his recent attack on me only serves to confirm this in my eyes.

Red_Baron's death is an interesting one; his cord was melted. How many appliances have the ability to melt something? The microwave is the obvious candidate, but did he really kill himself. Perhaps his role (re-director) backfired? If he targeted himself, then used his re-direction ability to change that target to someone else, but was role-blocked, then it is conceivable that he killed himself ...

I still don't buy in to Rodzaju being the third mafia member; his opening gambit (role-claiming bin) would be an extremely risky strategy, and one I don't think a newbie would attempt. No, my suspicions are still on GhostQlyph for trying to push a Rodzaju lynch, whilst elbaz seems to be the more obvious mafia member.

My vote is still firmly on elbaz.
Some thoughts:

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elbaz: Both nmillar and Red Baron encouraged shifting the focus from Rodzaju.
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nmillar: Not true. I encouraged people to take more time and investigate other options before going with a quick lynch. Unfortunately this backfired when Popinjay refused to co-operate with those asking questions of him, which made him look like mafia.
Looking back through the thread, I see no evidence of you encouraging more debate except with regard to lynching Rodzaju. In fact, your comment that Popinjay's behavior almost assuredly saved Rodzaju (complete with a facepalm for emphasis) hardly seems like a measured argument to avoid moving forward. Before the lynch, you were keen to shift attention away fro Rodzaju to Ghost and Popinjay, alternating between them until Popinjay's own behavior made him the safer bet. As for my other comments regarding you, you haven't replied. And, for the record, it was my read through rather than your vote against me that convinced me to FoS you.

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GhostQlyph: After this I'm more convinced than ever that Rodzaju is lying and Elbaz is his scumbuddy. Read his defensive post above. I admit I got on nmillar's case, but nmillar isn't pushing an Elbaz lynchwagon from my read, though I did skim a bit so may have missed something. Rodzaju is pushing one though, but he leaves Rodzaju go with a mere head nod. That's not too scummy itself.
Yup, Rodzaju is pushing to lynch me, he has to: its his win condition! I'm not chasing after him because I'm pretty sure that he is at least mostly telling the truth. Now, whether he is a lyncher that will turn town after my death or a scum who has a lyncher role in addition to being mafia, I have no idea.

The circumstances surrounding Vitek's death are unfortunate: I have no idea how he ended up a quarter of his previous size. The flattened cord is also an interesting bit of info, and doesn't really match a trash compactor.

I'm willing to claim, but unfortunately I don't think it will do much good. I am:

The Trash Compactor (town vanilla)

Vote nmiller
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elbaz: Looking back through the thread, I see no evidence of you encouraging more debate except with regard to lynching Rodzaju. In fact, your comment that Popinjay's behavior almost assuredly saved Rodzaju (complete with a facepalm for emphasis) hardly seems like a measured argument to avoid moving forward. Before the lynch, you were keen to shift attention away fro Rodzaju to Ghost and Popinjay, alternating between them until Popinjay's own behavior made him the safer bet. As for my other comments regarding you, you haven't replied. And, for the record, it was my read through rather than your vote against me that convinced me to FoS you.
As you say, I encouraged more debate when Rodzaju was close to a lynch, because like you, I don't believe he is mafia. I turned my attention towards GhostQlyph and Popinjay, looking for a role-claim from either if / when they reached L-2. Popinjay refused to co-operate at that point and from his posting style convinced the vast majority of us that he was in fact mafia, which is why the lynch went through so quickly.

I haven't replied to your other comments because they are nothing more than wild speculation.
Interesting - I threw the Vitek quarter size / trash compactor thing out there just to get reactions, I don't really believe the Mod (Damnation) would give clues as to the perpetrators in the flavour text, it rather defeats the object of the game, don't you think???

So - Ghost. Your play style is always in your face and forthright, so not holding anything against you for that..;o) You jumped in on my theory, but you still make sense by wanting to lynch the (confirmed?) non-town role. I find Rodzaju's claim even more suspicious now we have had an extra death. I think he's lying and has some sort of SK role or similar - he may well have Elbaz death as an added win condition though. Anyway, he needs lynching, and quickly, to be sure.

nmillar - you are reading into the death scenes even more than I am, but I do9nt believe for a second you really think Damnation would use them as anything other than flavour, you're too experienced at this. Which begs the question why are you using them? FoS nmillar, for definite. I think you're using them as a convenience to steer people towards your targets, and away from Mafia.

But, we know there's a dangerous third Party out there, and Rodzaju has already CLAIMED third party. Its a no-brainer.

Vote Rodzaju
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GhostQlyph: After this I'm more convinced than ever that Rodzaju is lying and Elbaz is his scumbuddy. Read his defensive post above. I admit I got on nmillar's case, but nmillar isn't pushing an Elbaz lynchwagon from my read, though I did skim a bit so may have missed something. Rodzaju is pushing one though, but he leaves Rodzaju go with a mere head nod. That's not too scummy itself.

But Robb brings up the clincher. One fourth his normal size and a flattened electric cord. I totally missed that myself. We found one scum, regardless of what anyone says. That's Elbaz, our resident trash compactor.

You'll note that I said prior that Red Baron was trying to be the voice of reason while he was alive. That swung both ways now, I realize. He was being the devil's advocate for the town, delaying a choice between Elbaz and Rodzaju by always picking the opposite one. Right now Elbaz realizes Rodzaju is an easy lynch. He had no idea he was just as easy, because only Robb saw the one important part of the death scene for Vitek and he thought he was safe. But the death scene, combined with his and Rodzaju's poor choice to softclaim early and truthfully, makes for a poor recipe for the mafia.

I still say we lynch Rodzaju first. We know we have one of the (likely) two remaining Mafia. Why not make sure we have the other one?

Therefore: confirm vote.
So you say you know Elbaz is mafia & suspect I am.
Yet it's me you want to lynch?
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Rodzaju: So you say you know Elbaz is mafia & suspect I am.
Yet it's me you want to lynch?
Mate - I THINK nmillar is Mafia, but I KNOW you are third party. Theres a massive distinction there, and at this early stage we need to go with what we know.

And as theres confirmed a dangerous Third Party out there (probably) , then its obvious the best course for town.

But I've just realised you're asking Ghost, not me......ooops. Oh well, not gonna delete the post, the point stands.
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Robbeasy: nmillar - you are reading into the death scenes even more than I am, but I do9nt believe for a second you really think Damnation would use them as anything other than flavour, you're too experienced at this. Which begs the question why are you using them? FoS nmillar, for definite. I think you're using them as a convenience to steer people towards your targets, and away from Mafia.
Actually, I do believe Damnation would drop hints in his flavour text. If you've spent any time at all in a conversation with Damnation, you'll quickly realise he doesn't do things by the book!
I'm keeping my eye on nmiller, but we know that Rodzaju is a third party threat. He must go, not just for my sake. Therefore:

unvote nimller, vote rodzaju
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Robbeasy: nmillar - you are reading into the death scenes even more than I am, but I do9nt believe for a second you really think Damnation would use them as anything other than flavour, you're too experienced at this. Which begs the question why are you using them? FoS nmillar, for definite. I think you're using them as a convenience to steer people towards your targets, and away from Mafia.
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nmillar: Actually, I do believe Damnation would drop hints in his flavour text. If you've spent any time at all in a conversation with Damnation, you'll quickly realise he doesn't do things by the book!
true actually ....;o)

But still think my read is right this time...
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Robbeasy: true actually ....;o)

But still think my read is right this time...
Then we'll just have to agree to disagree. We'll find out when the game is over anyway! Care for a wager? :P
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elbaz: I'm keeping my eye on nmiller, but we know that Rodzaju is a third party threat. He must go, not just for my sake. Therefore:

unvote nimller, vote rodzaju
Hmmm, suspicion on you starts to mount, so you push me to L-1.
Is it Andy's turn to drop the hammer?
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Rodzaju: Hmmm, suspicion on you starts to mount, so you push me to L-1.
Is it Andy's turn to drop the hammer?
While I've been doing a bit of scum-hunting, I have every reason to lynch you. You've clearly stated that you must kill me to win!