But I can't see the redirector affectng Viteks demise.
They wouldn't have attacked Red, so the only way that could have happenned is if they didn't go for a night kill & there are 2 vig/sk roles.
Doesn't seem likely....

I think Titanium was sorta screwed no matter what he did there, but GameRager just messed you guys up something awful.


But Back on Topic:

I've got to ask one interesting question, even though we can't answer it. If Vitek wasn't the intended NK target...who was? Who was HE targetting...and somehow got lucky...maybe trying to figure that out might help more.

I think it's everyone claiming we learn something from Lynching Rodzaju. And, let's face it, we do...only IF HE'S LYING! This is why I'm a bit nervous when people say we would learn a lot. We learned a lot from Popinjay's lynch too, that it's still possible for a townie with a power role to lie through his teeth and get himself lynched while doing it.

I have too many people I'm looking at right now to really move forward without hearing from one of them....Ghost, Elbaz, Andy, and I think I want Violator to come out as soon as he can too, just to see what they have to say.

Not so much the learning something - its more the emphasis that it was a SAFE lynch on day 1, so therefore the potential to learn something without a mis-lynch!! That is the point I am trying to make here. Day 1 is the day where the potential for a mis-lynch is at its highest, just due to sheer number of players.

True, and I didn't intend to have Popinjay lynched that quickly, but you can't have been able to say that popinjay had a power role from everything that we pointed out. Hindsight, as always is 20/20, that's why I'm looking at the last two voters on Popinjay at this very moment.

First of all, I was always on for the lynch of Rodzaju once he had admitted he was a non-town role.

However my vote for popinjay was purely based on the fact he showed no interest in helping the group only himself. He had the option to claim a role or alignment but didn't which up until that point i had him down as somewhat town. Still everytime he posted he did kind of pull all FOS onto himself and made it very hard to investigate others.

With red_baron revealed as mafia, I've looked thought his previous posting to see if I could gain any information out of it, He as far as i can tell never listed an opinion on eyeball nor ghost but did everybody else, ever if it was a not enough information response

Oh man, sorry I'm back late.

I seem to have a knack for picking out the best things only when perfectly obvious and the worst things all the rest of the time. Meanwhile everyone else ignores the obvious and aims for the not-so-much.

Rodzaju is still my "lynch this guy!" target -- we learn much only if he's lying yes, but I've learned Mafia involves a lot of lying. If he's not, that is one less townie to lynch (it seems more likely to me that Elbaz is town than not for reasons of balance) and one less player being vocal and messing everyone up, AND one less person to confuse for Mafia and nab a mislynch in the stages where it will matter most. Lynch Rodzaju now, we save everyone the trouble of WORRYING about whether or not he's lying, and save ourselves myriad other headaches in the process.

Rodzaju himself does make a fair point with elbaz, but as we all know anything he says about Elbaz is suspect.

One more thing: Red_Baron, a known Mafia, was the "voice of reason" regarding lynching Rodzaju for most of the time that went on. I say Rodzaju is a liar, and Red_Baron was protecting him. I say TwilightBard, who is ADAMANT about avoiding a Rodzaju lynch, is also Mafia.

We have nothing to lose by finding out through a Rodzaju lynch.

To clear a few things up. Elbaz is already under suspicion for his hammering of popinjay at that moment. I was the one trying to talk him into doing the more sensible thing and come out with an actual claim.

In my own defense: I was trying to pressure Popinjay the whole day 1 into defending himself or trying to make a reasonable argument. Hell I didn't want HIM lynched without finding out what he was because I wanted to try AVOIDING to hit power roles. Hell if he said he was anything I would have unvoted him. But seriously, a destruction ball? I'm expected to unvote that?!

I gave this some debate, Elbaz and Rodzaju could easily have come up with this plan originally only to have it fail (both being Mafia). I would think Lyncher (with what he said) would be a fairly safe falseclaim. But a normal Lyncher LEAVES the game after they lynched their target. Under normal conditions at least.

For the last time I AM NOT AGAINST LYNCHING RODZAJU! I am against quickly lynching people while leaving things unanswered like I had with popinjay. I just wish things had panned out a lot better then it did.

Upon reading viteks main post on his assumptions I have a rough idea on who I have as main suspects, taking over I have yet to ask any questions of my own.

Main thing I want to know is who was the person that Vitek was protecting this will eliminate more than likely someone from my suspicions of who is a member of the mafia

Town(in order of confidence)

elbaz - I believe he is as he is a target of a lyncher, It wouldnt make much sense to have him as a mafia as someone who is targeting him would already know his role and abiliity(usually anyway)

Twilightbard - Is very rational in his arguements and doesnt really show much intent of bandwagoning, he was one of the first to distrust popinjay though the wrong decision popnjays sucidal playing style pretty much got himself killed

Andy- Seemed to agree with vitek a lot I think this is who was being protected so Im thinking town and some sort of power role.

Unknown
Robbe - Haveing taken over recently himself havent really got much of a read on him, Its hard trying to read some people without asking your own questions

Eyeball - Hasnt said anything to make me think he swings either way.

Rod- I do my my doubts especially after really digging himself a hole in the earlier posts, Lynchers can be scum and have noticed something very suspect about him, maybe his an SK,Arsonist, But as a lyncher(in his words wouldnt be as much of a threat as he would be to others) For the fact we could lose 2-3 town (I think we have a 3rd party killer after redbarons death) would be a bad choice to lynch. I think actually hes like a paranoid gun owner style role who kills whoever attempts to target him, Barons friendly tactics with him and maybe he tried to target him causing his death, would explain some of his erattic posting.

Scum
nmillar - It looked very scummy about why you had to highlight previous games so much, and seeing as you were number 1 on viteks scum list it would be very feeseable that you wanted him dead
Just the way you seemed to congratatitory on the person who had targeted red baron to be a success seems a good way to cover up the fact you are infact in the mafia and that you are safe for another day. Vitek didnt trust you so your statement of not understanding was rather contractitory maybe doing a focus on GG is trying to help shroud the finger being pointed at you as you have a more powerful role, which though appearing strange is rather common to point and then switch theory when shes made a rational point.

Ghost
Do you know something we dont?

I was going to quote all the other reasons why I felt you were gulity but this one line summed it up for me when rod was at l-5 on day one, You were absolutely sure he is and whilst refreshing this thread are still persueing the fact that he is guility, you in fact sound more of a lyncher than he is supposed to be, and perhaps that is your target is to have him killed as well?

I think you are targeting rod as like me you believe he is a 3rd party killer(Paranoid gun owner) or something and now especially as you have lost one of your numbers will try and get him removed asap

I think the other mafia members assuming its a 11/3/1(I think rod) are nmillar and you

so vote Ghostglyph

I know exactly what I stated in the post you yourself quoted. But apparently you didn't read it at all.

I'm not even going to bother repeating it for your sake, but I encourage everyone else to read the post of mine he quoted, read his response to it and have a laugh.

Also, unless I'm mistaken, ViolatorX hasn't even posted before today (read the opening of the day post by Damnation).

That's pretty scummy itself.

I still support a Rodzaju lynch most, but FoS: ViolatorX for your troubles.

And since I forgot to vote again in my last post: Vote Rodzaju.

Uh, Ghost, he's a replacement, he was replaced during the Night

Well I had only just taken over from enterprise at the end of day 1 so I couldnt have posted as it was night phase and day 2 had only started 4 hours ago as I dont have the luxury of being glued to my desk I have read the thread and picked out what I found suspect within the last hour when I got home, ironically just a bit after you....

Your gung-ho attitude has already drawn suspicion onto you and this is a continuation of this.

Your defensive, arrogant and quite franky rude response only further cements my theory that you have something to hide.

Oop! My bad. Still the post itself had all the info he'd need to know why I want to lynch Rodzaju, so I'll keep that FoS there.

On Rodzaju:

Here's how I see it.

If Rodzaju is telling the truth then the only alignment that we find out is his own. This does NOT mean that Elbaz is automatically town. Just because it's common for the lynchee to be town does not mean that this is the golden rule that he has to be. So we lose Rodzaju, the SK kills, and the Mafia kills as well, 3 dead for one lynch that we did not have to make.

If Rodzaju is lying and is Mafia then Elbaz can pretty much kiss his ass goodbye. He would seriously have to come out with a cop or doctor claim for me to even remotely considering not pushing a lynch on him. Unlikely, but still possible.

If Rodzaju is the SK...frankly I don't know what to think for Elbaz, because of the confirmation of having someone wanting Elbaz dead. This doesn't mean that he's automatically town, but we're definitely going to be taking a closer look at him.

I don't really have enough information to poke at every person, nor are my opinions really set at this stage of the game. I don't think easy lynch applies at this point, but I am wondering.