As for real? Where did you all get this impression? Do you realise eyeball has won mafia 1 as lonely mafia? And he was able to not get lynched when he was prime suspect on day before last one.
You are labeling me as some mastermind buit I had quite powerful role and more important I had jess as great companion. And Typhoon of course but he was not around often. ;-)


Why do you play this style? You played this way most of time during mafia 2 but during last day you proved you are able to write more constructive posts.

Oh, like for real? If I could I would double-vote you now.

Killed me off at the right time, didn't you? :P

There are a lot of accusations that have been thrown about, but conversations about the statistical likelihood of who is mafia (I would imagine it is completely random) and speculating based on previous games are unlikely to identify who is scum. In my mind, the conversations boil down to two main suspects.

I find this exchange with Damnation to be extremely interesting, and not at all in Rodzaju's favor. He has passionately defended himself and managed to spread some suspicion back to Popinjay. This of course is perfectly valid tactic for a townie, but it also could be the desperate machinations of a scum. For right now, my FOS=Rodzaju.

However, the bandwagoning of Popinjay and pushing for a quick vote also does not sit too well with me. The ultimate identity of Rodzaju will solidify Popinjay's intentions for me at least. In the meantime, we are unlikely to get much more information until there is a lynch.

Popinjay's dogged approach to trying to lynch his no.1 target Rodzaju leaves me wondering if he has some sort of addition background info to hand (such as know who is town), possibly even a win condition for the lynch (third party?)

However Rodzaju had by then outed himself as a trash can and become super defensive over it, possibly because we've rattled his scummy cage....

My reading is more of Rodzaju's behaviour leading popinjay to focus in on him, and in my mind with some reason to,

Vote Rodzaju

I've also noticed that Popinjay attracted quite a few votes very quickly despite only semi-scummy behavior. The Rodzaju situation was treated most cautiously despite stronger evidence (consistent with town) while Twilight and Red Baron rapidly voted for Popinjay. This seems odd to me.

While you can never (well, perhaps rarely) be 100% sure, I think it is now time to
Vote Rodzaju

Rodzaju's posting style has really raised my scum alert. I'm almost ready to throw a vote down on him, but not quite yet.

Pazzer, why did you unvote eyeball226? What is your reasoning behind this unvote? Please elaborate.

Popinjay, why are you so hung up on what type of appliance everyone is?

I disagree, the push that Popinjay made against Rodzaju still has EXTREMELY weak reasoning. There's no guarantee that even IF Rodzaju is mafia, that Popinjay wasn't simply trying to throw him under the bus. He's single mindedly against Rodzaju (who I'm still not convinced is even town but that's another story) to the point where he has no opinion of anyone else when he was asked.

He's the closest to being lynched (ok, only at L-4, but still the closest), and has yet to give me ANY reason for what he did. I can't say he's mafia 100%, but right now his actions indicate that he's against the town in some fashion.

As for the idea that we're not going to get any new information. In this case then we need to look closer at Popinjay, who really has been dodging the main question of why he's so single minded against Rodzaju, I haven't heard an honestly convincing thing from him yet.

Fair enough, it is true that he hasn't supplied any reasoning. Well Popinjay, here is your chance to CLEARLY explain your suspicions of Rodzaju.

Well, for me, I can sorta see how the tide of things is going, more people are starting to vote for Rodzaju and I'd like to make sure we get more information out of people like Popinjay in case the hammer goes quicker then we might think. The last thing I want is to leave those questions out there and lynch Rodzaju, only to give him a few days to come up with an answer that takes into mind exactly what Rodzaju's role was, either townie or scum (Because this is not the first time a townie has made themselves seem more then a little scumish.)

Well I had originally intended a larger post than this, but firefox crashed on me, and I honestly can't recall what I initially wrote - so now I can make use of the fact that others posted while I was trying to get it to work again :D.

Is it now that I should point out that you and andy just did exactly the same thing as your finding odd about me and Twilight's votes? ;) And btw: I had a fos on Popinjay for a good deal of time, before I decided to put some more pressure on and vote. You waited for 30 minutes, giving another person just enough time to vote before you did so yourself. That could also be read as odd eh? Even more so when you and andy have been mostly silence up until now.

In regards of stronger evidence I would say thats a matter of opinion. The evidence I find scummy against Rod is the very heavy defense he started out with (although I've seen that people with that reaction can just as well be town) and then some of the more odd sentences I've seen from him (although I take some of it as inexperience). The whole thing about his name I don't really find all incriminating (it being electric or not and the thing about his name's connection to his role, which I at least know is not the general case (based on myself), so I don't consider that part of my evidence against him, its more his reaction that has me suspecting him).
From Popinjay I saw quick voting/unvoting without reasons, post after being asked to explain, where he didn't post a reason and some fairly odd sentences / arguments in general.

So thats why I voted for Popinjay, hoping to get a reaction that could give me a better feeling of him or perhaps just make him come forth with some reasoning. (That have not been needed in the case of Rod ;) He have made plenty and widespread).

So anyway:

Pazzer: I complained about Popinjay for his actions without much reasons or defense. I could say the exact same about you, although in your case you posted nothing at all, so I don't have any feeling if your town, scum or something third. But it still serves to put you on my suspect list and also placing you much higher that elbaz and Andy, since both of them are only on the list due to the silence on their part and they have started to speak up.

In the post I intended to make before I actually unvoted Popinjay, as I thought I couldn't justify my vote when there was 3 other players not really posting any reason. But since both elbaz and Andy have posted since, I'll leave my vote where it is - and hope that it could lead to some more reaction from Popinjay, who I have yet to see post with really good reasons, instead of avoiding / denying, although his post did lower him on my suspect list (And I am still mostly suspecting him of being a third party, unlike Rod).

Oh yea, remembered one thing form my old post; in regards of me calling you; vitek a master of disguise :) It was meant as a joke, since I've have strong town feeling from you, so if you turned scum you must be good at disguises :P

In my defence of why I think Rodzaju is scum I present these points to the appliances.

Rodzaju #9:

"I see a 3 in that list.
Purely on the basis that he's obviously fled to the far side of the world, VOTE POPINJAY"

This can be explained as a bit of fun at the beginning but as you will see starts a persistent pattern against me.

Rodzaju #16:

"Pop's already on my radar by virtue of being aussie.

Is there anything virtuous about this guy?"

Again my geographical location is brought up. My nationality is irrelevant as we are all clearly moving around the same house. He then proceeds to question by virtues. Quite odd, I don't know why he would want to degrade my character so vehemently.

There was then the matter of Rodzaju revealing that he is a bin. I know what I am and looking at lists of what we could be I think that the bin is the most dirtiest thing in the house. I wondered if people’s names translated into maybe what role they have or powers they can use.

Vitek Post 40 On appliance names

"First, I won't tell for now."

Vitek said that he won’t tell what his name is. This only strengthened my belief that some people’s names could denote roles. And Rodzaju’s name must having something to do with destroying things.

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I have been quite an idiot firing off votes with no reason because there was no rhyme nor reason to it. But in the process I think you may agree that there have been some interesting things to come of it.

From what I'm reading, the first two parts make it sound like OMGUS (Oh My God You Suck) to me, you take his initial post and use it as your initial basis for a vote.

His reveal...interesting how you take it in a different way then everyone else did. You're focused on how he was the dirtiest thing in the house. As far as the names translating into what role they are, then well, there are saying that could be pinned to a bin and say otherwise.

But, then there's this.

This says to me that you didn't know about the power roles to begin with. I don't know, something about that doesn't seem right.

Oh, I agree that something interesting came about you firing off votes randomly, but all it does for me is push my thoughts towards you being scum. You already said you didn't care who died as long as it wasn't you. That's DEFINITELY not town behavior.

This thing has me in shock, I'm not sure what I'm thinking. I would say jester but his comment that he doesn't want to be the one dying would argue against that.

@ Vitek - As I said in mafia 2 am naturally quiet. Was also geting to grips with the game which I finally did on the last day.

As for my play style this game my previous posts were only to keep myself from being replaced. Was late to the game so had some catching up to do. Been busy so haven't managed it.

If i'm not caught up by tommorow will ask Damnation to replace me.

We are somewhat lagging

You don't think I am master of disguise, then? :-(
I am sad. :-)

Sorry to hear that. I was hoping you'll keep the posting level of last day of mafia 2 but if you don't have time... it's unfortunate.


Well, I'll give you my brief read list to have at least something new.
It's in no way complete and can change with each post.
It made in way if you asked me what I think about everyone and I had to answer quickly.

Non-town:
nmillar - yup, I think he is mafia and not because probability

Rodzaju - of course I think he is not town, nothing has convinced me to move my vote so far, his defense was shaky and I still believe trash can is made up role. (or )

eyeball - leaning scum, has quite a lot of posts but mostly without some useful content, as he was trying to make impression he's active and pro-town

Neutral:
Popinjay - don't know what to do with him, he is leaning non-town but I am not sure

andyuk - not enough info

pazzer - no intel at all

Red_Baron - leaning town

GhostQlyph - too few posts to get reads on but seems townish so far

Town:
enterprise - town impression, though only few posts to work with

elbaz - although doesn't post much I think he is town, I like his posts so far

TwilightBard - definitely town reads so far, active, makes good points, his posts seems
pro-town to me