Posted April 28, 2011
Nazarush
New User
Registered: Nov 2010
From United States
jesskitten
Catgirl
Registered: Dec 2010
From Canada
Posted April 28, 2011
Yeah Naz :( And Zchinque, Typhoon's death flavour was hilarious! Updated remaining claimed roles:
2 jesskitten - Jack London - Survivor (3rd party)
4. Robbeasy - Jack White - Town Mason (With Ghost)
5. Bazilisek - Jack Bauer - Jack of All Trades (passed first night, got roleblocked 2nd night)
7. Rooshandark - Jack and Jill - Doublevoter
10. Vitek - Jack Kemp - Politician (Name Cop)
12. Orryyrro - Union Jack - Vanilla
Known Mafia roles: Roleblocker, Framer (dead).
Okay, comments. Framer. Wow that makes me look bad for calling that investigation on Orry. (Note: This was after Damnation claimed scum, etc, and it would have been a silly thing for me to do as a "scum partner" anyway since it was so early.) Luckily Naz investigated someone else. I guess this was the counter to the cop's existence though.
What we can conclude from Mafia killing the cop: In the case that there's exactly 1 Mafia left, there's no godfather, because the cop would essentially be harmless at that stage. Haven't thought through the possibilities if there were 2 left, but either is as likely I guess.
Did either Vitek or Baz get roleblocked? If not what were your results?
Due to Typhoon's flip, and the existence of a Name Cop, I disagree with Vitek saying that his role is useless now that everyone's claimed, I think it's more useful now cause even if there was a godfather left, while the cop would be useless against him, the name cop may be able to figure out if he finds another Jacques or something (or even just a fake name).
I also had a speculative theory that maybe Roosh is a godfather investigating as town, because he has a Jack component to his character, making him 'clean', but also a non-Jack (ie, Jill) component to his character, which would be the 'evil' part of the character. Orryyrro also is kind of weird with Union Jack as his claim, which I don't know how plausible a claim it is if everyone else is a "proper" Jack.
Those are my thoughts on the existence of the name cop anyway, which I didn't want to talk about in twilight yesterday so as not to draw a bigger target on Vitek's back. I also have more to say but will wait until people have claimed night actions..
2 jesskitten - Jack London - Survivor (3rd party)
4. Robbeasy - Jack White - Town Mason (With Ghost)
5. Bazilisek - Jack Bauer - Jack of All Trades (passed first night, got roleblocked 2nd night)
7. Rooshandark - Jack and Jill - Doublevoter
10. Vitek - Jack Kemp - Politician (Name Cop)
12. Orryyrro - Union Jack - Vanilla
Known Mafia roles: Roleblocker, Framer (dead).
Okay, comments. Framer. Wow that makes me look bad for calling that investigation on Orry. (Note: This was after Damnation claimed scum, etc, and it would have been a silly thing for me to do as a "scum partner" anyway since it was so early.) Luckily Naz investigated someone else. I guess this was the counter to the cop's existence though.
What we can conclude from Mafia killing the cop: In the case that there's exactly 1 Mafia left, there's no godfather, because the cop would essentially be harmless at that stage. Haven't thought through the possibilities if there were 2 left, but either is as likely I guess.
Did either Vitek or Baz get roleblocked? If not what were your results?
Due to Typhoon's flip, and the existence of a Name Cop, I disagree with Vitek saying that his role is useless now that everyone's claimed, I think it's more useful now cause even if there was a godfather left, while the cop would be useless against him, the name cop may be able to figure out if he finds another Jacques or something (or even just a fake name).
I also had a speculative theory that maybe Roosh is a godfather investigating as town, because he has a Jack component to his character, making him 'clean', but also a non-Jack (ie, Jill) component to his character, which would be the 'evil' part of the character. Orryyrro also is kind of weird with Union Jack as his claim, which I don't know how plausible a claim it is if everyone else is a "proper" Jack.
Those are my thoughts on the existence of the name cop anyway, which I didn't want to talk about in twilight yesterday so as not to draw a bigger target on Vitek's back. I also have more to say but will wait until people have claimed night actions..
Sirtea
The Fire Witcher
Registered: Nov 2010
From United States
Posted April 28, 2011
2 jesskitten - Jack London - Survivor (3rd party)
4. Robbeasy - Jack White - Town Mason (With Ghost)
5. Bazilisek - Jack Bauer - Jack of All Trades (passed first night, got roleblocked 2nd night)
7. Rooshandark - Jack and Jill - Doublevoter
10. Vitek - Jack Kemp - Politician (Name Cop)
12. Orryyrro - Union Jack - Vanilla
Known Mafia roles: Roleblocker, Framer (dead).
Okay, comments. Framer. Wow that makes me look bad for calling that investigation on Orry. (Note: This was after Damnation claimed scum, etc, and it would have been a silly thing for me to do as a "scum partner" anyway since it was so early.) Luckily Naz investigated someone else. I guess this was the counter to the cop's existence though.
What we can conclude from Mafia killing the cop: In the case that there's exactly 1 Mafia left, there's no godfather, because the cop would essentially be harmless at that stage. Haven't thought through the possibilities if there were 2 left, but either is as likely I guess.
Did either Vitek or Baz get roleblocked? If not what were your results?
Due to Typhoon's flip, and the existence of a Name Cop, I disagree with Vitek saying that his role is useless now that everyone's claimed, I think it's more useful now cause even if there was a godfather left, while the cop would be useless against him, the name cop may be able to figure out if he finds another Jacques or something (or even just a fake name).
I also had a speculative theory that maybe Roosh is a godfather investigating as town, because he has a Jack component to his character, making him 'clean', but also a non-Jack (ie, Jill) component to his character, which would be the 'evil' part of the character. Orryyrro also is kind of weird with Union Jack as his claim, which I don't know how plausible a claim it is if everyone else is a "proper" Jack.
Those are my thoughts on the existence of the name cop anyway, which I didn't want to talk about in twilight yesterday so as not to draw a bigger target on Vitek's back. I also have more to say but will wait until people have claimed night actions..
jesskitten
Catgirl
Registered: Dec 2010
From Canada
Posted April 28, 2011
I sooo want to see your flavour text after you claimed it was hilarious. :) At the end of the game, though.
His power role is Jack of All Trades - that usually means he has several one shot abilities (like one-shot doctor, cop, etc, who knows what else in this game though). He seemed townie when I read his play over the last day, but, waiting to hear what his action/result was, first.
His power role is Jack of All Trades - that usually means he has several one shot abilities (like one-shot doctor, cop, etc, who knows what else in this game though). He seemed townie when I read his play over the last day, but, waiting to hear what his action/result was, first.
Sirtea
The Fire Witcher
Registered: Nov 2010
From United States
Posted April 28, 2011
His power role is Jack of All Trades - that usually means he has several one shot abilities (like one-shot doctor, cop, etc, who knows what else in this game though). He seemed townie when I read his play over the last day, but, waiting to hear what his action/result was, first.
Robbeasy
Too Old
Registered: Sep 2008
From United Kingdom
Posted April 29, 2011
Agree that Viteks power is strong - however it could easily be that the Mafia have used their real names in the claims. Typhoons slight change to the 'norm' is very interesting however, with Jacques instead of Jack. If the deviations from the norm hold true, then Orryrro's claim of Union Jack looks suspect to me.
Pure speculation at the moment though - I also want to see what Baz and Vitek report before getting into anything...
Pure speculation at the moment though - I also want to see what Baz and Vitek report before getting into anything...
Vitek
Master of Karate and friendship for everyone
Registered: Apr 2009
From British Indian Ocean Territory
Sirtea
The Fire Witcher
Registered: Nov 2010
From United States
Posted April 29, 2011
I am deeply sorry but again I have little time to post and I won't propable be able to post during weekend at all. It came in such a bad time (I mean me losing internet). And posting from libraries or cell phone is getting so tiresome.
I investigated roosh at night and he is indeed jack and Jill. Still I found his name quite suspicious. As Typhoon's death scene shows he was not allowed to meeting for being Jacques the same could hold true for Jill.
He and Orryyrro are still my biggest suspects. Orryyrro has already been under pressure before and managed to slip out, though most points against him still stand. He also has different name. If his name is true and if he is godfather as presented before he can't be even investigated and caught lying by now.
As I have been able to carry out my investigation, this leads me to believe everyone else from mafia claimed they real names and don't have to fear me. And the names that differs most are roosh and Orryyrro.
Still I hesistate between choosing one of them. (Jess and Rob are not cleared as well).
As I won't propably be able to participate through weekend I won't vote anyone to avoid putting my vote on wrong person and being unable to retract it.
At least I 'll put my FOS on rooshandark and FOS on Orryyrro.
Jill is the female version of jack.
If your wondering how i smuggled jill in, i ate her.
jesskitten
Catgirl
Registered: Dec 2010
From Canada
Posted April 29, 2011
@Vitek You suspect Roosh and Orry, and say me and Robb are not clear. This implies Baz is clear? Why? You didn't mention anything about him yet.
@Roosh ... ate? Ack. Just ack. Is Jill a person or like a metaphor for something else?
@Roosh ... ate? Ack. Just ack. Is Jill a person or like a metaphor for something else?
Sirtea
The Fire Witcher
Registered: Nov 2010
From United States
Posted April 29, 2011
@Roosh ... ate? Ack. Just ack. Is Jill a person or like a metaphor for something else?
i don't want to ruin the flavour text for yah man.
Orryyrro
Flying Squirrel!
Registered: Mar 2010
From Canada
Posted April 29, 2011
So, it's a new day. And apparently I'm still suspicious.
Robbeasy
Too Old
Registered: Sep 2008
From United Kingdom
Posted April 29, 2011
yes it is.
And yes you are. But hell we all are aren't we at this late stage. We get it wrong today and its game over - if there are indeed 2 Mafia left. Which isn't a given with all the power roles that have been bandied about. Hell - if Jesskitten is right about her Roleclaim, she doesnt count in the votes as to who wins or loses anyway!!
Waiting for Baz really though, see what reports he has , if anything.
And yes you are. But hell we all are aren't we at this late stage. We get it wrong today and its game over - if there are indeed 2 Mafia left. Which isn't a given with all the power roles that have been bandied about. Hell - if Jesskitten is right about her Roleclaim, she doesnt count in the votes as to who wins or loses anyway!!
Waiting for Baz really though, see what reports he has , if anything.
bazilisek
gone
Registered: Oct 2009
From Czech Republic
Posted April 30, 2011
Good news: from now on, I should be able to get in at least one post each 24 hours.
Bad news: I was roleblocked tonight again. It was a man and he hit me over the head. I can't get anything else remotely useful from the flavour.
As for the situation: The downside of a mass claim, I guess. I had sort of hoped Vitek would check either Robb or Orry tonight, but still that's at least something. I don't have much else to say, really. I was a very obvious target for a block and Naz was a very obvious target for a kill, so this night didn't really tell us anything. I'm still almost certain Robb is scum -- no need to repeat all that again --, but I'll be careful about voting at this stage (which I would ask of everyone).
And that reminds me -- Roosh, please refrain from using your double vote today. It's only three to lynch now; your doublevote opens the door to a mafia-led speedlynch. If you want to vote, please cast just one.
Bad news: I was roleblocked tonight again. It was a man and he hit me over the head. I can't get anything else remotely useful from the flavour.
As for the situation: The downside of a mass claim, I guess. I had sort of hoped Vitek would check either Robb or Orry tonight, but still that's at least something. I don't have much else to say, really. I was a very obvious target for a block and Naz was a very obvious target for a kill, so this night didn't really tell us anything. I'm still almost certain Robb is scum -- no need to repeat all that again --, but I'll be careful about voting at this stage (which I would ask of everyone).
And that reminds me -- Roosh, please refrain from using your double vote today. It's only three to lynch now; your doublevote opens the door to a mafia-led speedlynch. If you want to vote, please cast just one.
bazilisek
gone
Registered: Oct 2009
From Czech Republic
Posted April 30, 2011
Alright, I thought about the game some more (a shower is a wonderful thing) and I can only see two real possibilities here.
My reasoning is as follows: I do believe Jess. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but her play does check out, and has done so very consistently. If you're mafia, you're doing a fantastic job. Roosh I do not think is scum, because as I said in my previous post, with 3 to lynch, it would be the easiest thing in the world to organise a speedlynch using a doublevote. And there already was more than enough time for that to happen. (And by the by, there are definitely more than 1 mafia left, because it took one to block me and one to do the kill.)
So the two possibilities? Robb and Orry or Robb and Vitek (Orry and Vitek seems very unlikely to me, but I honestly can't give much rationale for it -- I'm still without my notes and have no time to reread the whole thread, so it's more of a gut feeling). The case against Vitek is weak, but notice that the information he gave us so far either only confirmed someone else's claim (Nazarush, Roosh) or gave us something we didn't know but the mafia presumably did (Typhoon), possibly establishing Vitek's position in the eyes of the town. Convenient. And three cops does seem a bit excessive, doesn't it?
Still, this means one thing: in my opinion, lynching Robb isn't a bad idea at all. Yeah, I'm tunnel-visioning here and all that, but honestly, I can't imagine him being town after all we've seen so far. I'm still reluctant to place a vote, as we're in a very precarious position here, but I'm strongly leaning towards it.
My reasoning is as follows: I do believe Jess. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but her play does check out, and has done so very consistently. If you're mafia, you're doing a fantastic job. Roosh I do not think is scum, because as I said in my previous post, with 3 to lynch, it would be the easiest thing in the world to organise a speedlynch using a doublevote. And there already was more than enough time for that to happen. (And by the by, there are definitely more than 1 mafia left, because it took one to block me and one to do the kill.)
So the two possibilities? Robb and Orry or Robb and Vitek (Orry and Vitek seems very unlikely to me, but I honestly can't give much rationale for it -- I'm still without my notes and have no time to reread the whole thread, so it's more of a gut feeling). The case against Vitek is weak, but notice that the information he gave us so far either only confirmed someone else's claim (Nazarush, Roosh) or gave us something we didn't know but the mafia presumably did (Typhoon), possibly establishing Vitek's position in the eyes of the town. Convenient. And three cops does seem a bit excessive, doesn't it?
Still, this means one thing: in my opinion, lynching Robb isn't a bad idea at all. Yeah, I'm tunnel-visioning here and all that, but honestly, I can't imagine him being town after all we've seen so far. I'm still reluctant to place a vote, as we're in a very precarious position here, but I'm strongly leaning towards it.
Robbeasy
Too Old
Registered: Sep 2008
From United Kingdom
Posted April 30, 2011
I'm still almost certain Robb is scum -- no need to repeat all that again --, but I'll be careful about voting at this stage (which I would ask of everyone).
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Roles - I believe Vitek - obviously for the Typhoon tell.
Jesskitten - difficult one - claiming a Survivor role means town are slightly less inclined to lynch you , as it doesn't winnow out the Mafia. Therefore a good claim for a Mafia to make.
Roosh - doublevoter - you surely have to be town.
Orryrro - not happy with your claim at all - different naming convention to others - the ONLY thing we know from the one Mafia Lynched is that he had a slightly different name....
Baz - Jack of all trades eh? I like the handy name for it as well - definitely something the MOD would throw into a game about Jacks. I know it sounds a bit tenuous, but I'm leaning towards believing you just for that alone. But - you tell us you were roleblocked, but omitted to tell us exactly what it was you were trying to do?? Surely that is quite important as well? Could I ask what it was you were trying to do, and on whom? Just saying you were roleblocked doesn't tell us much, and we need all the info we could get right now, don't you agree?
Main suspects for me - Orryrro, as I have been from near the start. And its a toss up between Jess and Baz for the other Mafia member - providing there is 2 Mafia left of course.