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GhostQlyph: Jesskitten is odd. There is reasoning and town-friendly behavior, but loads of bandwagoning and "safe" votes. Jesskitten has a lot of experience, as well, and could possibly have caught on to their "styles" between town and mafia, and consciously started avoiding standard mafia play. Another suspect, but bottom of the list.
Night seemed to go on a bit longer than 48 hours there.. the other game kind of took over my Friday so I need to re-read this on Monday, since I don't have too much time this weekend.

Just going to address this real quick, and point out I only had two votes in D1, and the first one was jumping on the RVS one on Roosh at the start. The second was Damnation and my only true vote, and seriously, who thought he was town (besides possibly Mafia) after he claimed? Likely no one. How would that remotely help town or be a gambit that could have saved his life? I thought about it and couldn't figure out any possible rationale..

But I did vote him on a perceived scumslip fairly early on. nmillar (now confirmed town) came in after me, and Orryynno "slipped" on with a suspiciously casual vote at #123.

@Orryynno You're the one I'm more interested in, partly because of that reasonless slide onto the wagon and now your meek suspicion of GoJays and me. Ghost gave a reason, so fair enough, but pray tell, what is yours? I'd like to hear if you had a reason why, besides feeling out possible mislynches to slip onto later.
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GhostQlyph: Jesskitten is odd. There is reasoning and town-friendly behavior, but loads of bandwagoning and "safe" votes. Jesskitten has a lot of experience, as well, and could possibly have caught on to their "styles" between town and mafia, and consciously started avoiding standard mafia play. Another suspect, but bottom of the list.
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jesskitten: Night seemed to go on a bit longer than 48 hours there.. the other game kind of took over my Friday so I need to re-read this on Monday, since I don't have too much time this weekend.

Just going to address this real quick, and point out I only had two votes in D1, and the first one was jumping on the RVS one on Roosh at the start. The second was Damnation and my only true vote, and seriously, who thought he was town (besides possibly Mafia) after he claimed? Likely no one. How would that remotely help town or be a gambit that could have saved his life? I thought about it and couldn't figure out any possible rationale..

But I did vote him on a perceived scumslip fairly early on. nmillar (now confirmed town) came in after me, and Orryynno "slipped" on with a suspiciously casual vote at #123.

@Orryynno You're the one I'm more interested in, partly because of that reasonless slide onto the wagon and now your meek suspicion of GoJays and me. Ghost gave a reason, so fair enough, but pray tell, what is yours? I'd like to hear if you had a reason why, besides feeling out possible mislynches to slip onto later.
I'm loathe to continue harassing Orryyrro, but my points with him from the start still stand now. Extremely quiet, his few posts are the sort of stuff that your eyes slide over as unimportant, and a lot (A LOT) of bandwagoning, even in terms of just plain "suspicions."

To illustrate: "Oh I think this guy looks suspicious." "HUH WHAT YEAH ME TOO"

But due to my slip-up with Damnation I don't want to continue with ANY of my prior targets, even Orryyrro who is acting as scummy as a fishtank left untouched for twelve years. I'll keep my eyes locked on Vitek, who is acting a lot like Orryyrro in terms of content added and usefulness of such content.
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jesskitten: Night seemed to go on a bit longer than 48 hours there.. the other game kind of took over my Friday so I need to re-read this on Monday, since I don't have too much time this weekend.

Just going to address this real quick, and point out I only had two votes in D1, and the first one was jumping on the RVS one on Roosh at the start. The second was Damnation and my only true vote, and seriously, who thought he was town (besides possibly Mafia) after he claimed? Likely no one. How would that remotely help town or be a gambit that could have saved his life? I thought about it and couldn't figure out any possible rationale..

But I did vote him on a perceived scumslip fairly early on. nmillar (now confirmed town) came in after me, and Orryynno "slipped" on with a suspiciously casual vote at #123.

@Orryynno You're the one I'm more interested in, partly because of that reasonless slide onto the wagon and now your meek suspicion of GoJays and me. Ghost gave a reason, so fair enough, but pray tell, what is yours? I'd like to hear if you had a reason why, besides feeling out possible mislynches to slip onto later.
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GhostQlyph: I'm loathe to continue harassing Orryyrro, but my points with him from the start still stand now. Extremely quiet, his few posts are the sort of stuff that your eyes slide over as unimportant, and a lot (A LOT) of bandwagoning, even in terms of just plain "suspicions."

To illustrate: "Oh I think this guy looks suspicious." "HUH WHAT YEAH ME TOO"

But due to my slip-up with Damnation I don't want to continue with ANY of my prior targets, even Orryyrro who is acting as scummy as a fishtank left untouched for twelve years. I'll keep my eyes locked on Vitek, who is acting a lot like Orryyrro in terms of content added and usefulness of such content.
You seem awfully mafia like,Proof yourself
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GhostQlyph: I'm loathe to continue harassing Orryyrro, but my points with him from the start still stand now. Extremely quiet, his few posts are the sort of stuff that your eyes slide over as unimportant, and a lot (A LOT) of bandwagoning, even in terms of just plain "suspicions."

To illustrate: "Oh I think this guy looks suspicious." "HUH WHAT YEAH ME TOO"

But due to my slip-up with Damnation I don't want to continue with ANY of my prior targets, even Orryyrro who is acting as scummy as a fishtank left untouched for twelve years. I'll keep my eyes locked on Vitek, who is acting a lot like Orryyrro in terms of content added and usefulness of such content.
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rooshandark8: You seem awfully mafia like,Proof yourself
You can't prove a negative.

And you're the one who's got everyone suspicious -- have a special ability, don't get nightkilled? "Hmm, well that's interesting" to Damnation's last-call gambit? If anyone needs proving here, it's you.
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GhostQlyph: have a special ability, don't get nightkilled?
That indeed is very interesting, but interesting is not quite the same thing as suspicious.

I did a complete re-read of the thread, making copious amounts of notes. I hope to have the time to post my analysis later today, but I wouldn't bet on it just yet. In any case, there are a few points I think must be raised at this stage, so I'll do it as soon as I can.

Nmillar was an interesting choice for a nightkill and one that can definitely tell us something about the mafia.
First thing first: unvote bazilisek. My vote for him was him just first day joking and remained only due lack of other real suspects and events that made me forgot I have voted and made my vote unimportant at that time.

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GhostQlyph: Vitek is my new target. GoJays, upon a re-read, was acting townie in manner -- he did give reasoning. Vitek basically went with "Oh man so much happened why don't you lynch Damnation" without putting in a vote himself. That could be town behavior, but it reeks of mafia. It's like bandwagoning except the bold doesn't stand out as much. Not townie behavior, imo.
There is reason I didn't put my vote on Damnation. I haven't believed he is mafia. In fact I was leaning on the side he isn't. And his confession and vote for himself quite convinced he isn't. I seemed it like he just given up on defending and wanted to make you look like a fool.
I was proding you for action for simple reason. I wanted to see if you can really do it, not just accuse people and if it isn't some kind of bluff.
Also I find your overzealousness quite suspicious and think you could maybe be mafia. I don't exactly believe it but there is the possibility. Therefore FoS: GhostQlyph

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GhostQlyph: Lastly, I'm calling Typhoon out. No posting at ALL practically and yet has been active as hell in the other game. If I had to pick a certain mafia target after a lengthy series of re-reads and re-evaluations, it's Typhoon. The only reason I'm not outright pointing my witch-hunt finger his way is so I can see if he'll respond before burning him at the stake.
Though I disagree with you on most cases this is the one I support. Typhoon is really quiet and in the first game it was good sign of being mafia (If only we learned it sooner). Vote Typhoon if only to put some pressure and get him react.

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rooshandark8: You seem awfully mafia like,Proof yourself
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GhostQlyph: You can't prove a negative.

And you're the one who's got everyone suspicious -- have a special ability, don't get nightkilled? "Hmm, well that's interesting" to Damnation's last-call gambit? If anyone needs proving here, it's you.
I don't find it so strange. As they can be useful, two votes can also be easily abused in these early days where not many people have strong belief of peoples alignment and it's quite easy to sway them to vote someone. And in last day rooshandark spread his votes so even should he vote for mafia, he would have weight of other townies.
Interesting thing is, both people he voted are dead and both turned out townies. This quite screams of suspicion. I believe most people wouldn't do it but from rooshs actions so far I don't have strong faith in his play abilities. Sorry if this is too offensive to you.
On the other side, he could be pulling my leg and if he is mafia doublevoter, with his early claim he could create great cover-up. FoS : rooshandark
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Vitek: First thing first: unvote bazilisek.
I don't think votes carry over between days, so there should be no need for that.

And you have reminded me of something I have completely forgotten: in #115, I voted for jesskitten, which wasn't included in the official votecount that came (much) later. Considering what happened since then, it doesn't really matter; this is just for the sake of correctness.
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Vitek: I don't find it so strange. As they can be useful, two votes can also be easily abused in these early days where not many people have strong belief of peoples alignment and it's quite easy to sway them to vote someone. And in last day rooshandark spread his votes so even should he vote for mafia, he would have weight of other townies.
Interesting thing is, both people he voted are dead and both turned out townies. This quite screams of suspicion. I believe most people wouldn't do it but from rooshs actions so far I don't have strong faith in his play abilities. Sorry if this is too offensive to you.
On the other side, he could be pulling my leg and if he is mafia doublevoter, with his early claim he could create great cover-up. FoS : rooshandark
Point of interest here is The Mafia lynched nMillar, instead of known power role Rooshandark.
Why?

I think Roosh is Town, and here is why...

Roosh was the obvious target, which is probably the main reason he wasn't targeted. The Mafia probably assumed he would be protected in some way as well. Instead they looked at who he had targeted and decided to throw more suspicion on him by lynching his other target.

If Roosh was Mafia would they make the mistake of offing his two targets ? I dont think so, they would choose someone else so Roosh had the get out if ever he was suspected. It can only serve the Mafia better if they push suspicion onto Roosh.

Therefore, my FoS is firmly pointed at Vitek.

side note : for those that dont know, FoS means 'Finger of Suspicion' - its showing you have your beady eye on someone without going all out with a vote.
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Vitek: I don't find it so strange. As they can be useful, two votes can also be easily abused in these early days where not many people have strong belief of peoples alignment and it's quite easy to sway them to vote someone. And in last day rooshandark spread his votes so even should he vote for mafia, he would have weight of other townies.
Interesting thing is, both people he voted are dead and both turned out townies. This quite screams of suspicion. I believe most people wouldn't do it but from rooshs actions so far I don't have strong faith in his play abilities. Sorry if this is too offensive to you.
On the other side, he could be pulling my leg and if he is mafia doublevoter, with his early claim he could create great cover-up. FoS : rooshandark
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Robbeasy: Point of interest here is The Mafia lynched nMillar, instead of known power role Rooshandark.
Why?

I think Roosh is Town, and here is why...

Roosh was the obvious target, which is probably the main reason he wasn't targeted. The Mafia probably assumed he would be protected in some way as well. Instead they looked at who he had targeted and decided to throw more suspicion on him by lynching his other target.

If Roosh was Mafia would they make the mistake of offing his two targets ? I dont think so, they would choose someone else so Roosh had the get out if ever he was suspected. It can only serve the Mafia better if they push suspicion onto Roosh.

Therefore, my FoS is firmly pointed at Vitek.

side note : for those that dont know, FoS means 'Finger of Suspicion' - its showing you have your beady eye on someone without going all out with a vote.
Good points. I still think Roosh is mafia, while Vitek's post pushed him down the list for me -- but I've been wrong before. Very wrong.

Typhoon isn't here at the moment so I'm not about to push the guy to L-3.

Instead, I'll put my vote on bazilisek who got a similar finger pointed their way in my post and outright ignored it. I mean, at least acknowledge the crazy lady is giving you the stink-eye, jesus.
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bazilisek: I don't think votes carry over between days, so there should be no need for that.

And you have reminded me of something I have completely forgotten: in #115, I voted for jesskitten, which wasn't included in the official votecount that came (much) later. Considering what happened since then, it doesn't really matter; this is just for the sake of correctness.
Are you sure? OK, then, you can forget it then.

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Robbeasy: Point of interest here is The Mafia lynched nMillar, instead of known power role Rooshandark.
Why?

I think Roosh is Town, and here is why...

Roosh was the obvious target, which is probably the main reason he wasn't targeted. The Mafia probably assumed he would be protected in some way as well. Instead they looked at who he had targeted and decided to throw more suspicion on him by lynching his other target.

If Roosh was Mafia would they make the mistake of offing his two targets ? I dont think so, they would choose someone else so Roosh had the get out if ever he was suspected. It can only serve the Mafia better if they push suspicion onto Roosh.

Therefore, my FoS is firmly pointed at Vitek.
Well you've got a point about his second target being targeted. I based my comments on only one rooshes post, the one with his votes. In fact it was not too strong FoS. You may note I never used FoS before. I am reading Sin City Mafia right now and I came to like FoS and wanted to use it as much as possible. :-)
I got into strange "loop" with rooshandark. My first post was intended as defence of roosh but as I kept writing it ended with FoS.
I think it is not so suspicious he wasn't lynched as Ghost do.
But now I read through nmillar's post and found he acted against rooshandark and in his last post he has accused him of being mafia. You are right nightkill could easily be done to make him suspicious right for these accusations, but on the other side he seemed rather irritated by votes against him and it's quite possible he could want nmillar killed for such accusations.
To me this is worth the vote but there is big catch. From what I have read I don't think doublevoter is not townie. At least not in mostly newbie game. Still I don't want to get him off my radar and my conclusion to this is FoS.
Alright, then, let's get this over with. Sorry for length.

The Rooshandar Situation

I have no idea why Roosh outed his ability when he did, but the votecount confirmed it's real. This alone is almost definite proof Roosh is town. The doublevote ability in the hands of the mafia would be an extremely powerful weapon -- not as much now, but the closer you get to the endgame, the more game-breaking it is. And we can be sure Zchinque didn't design a game with such an obvious flaw. Theoretically, this power could be balanced by some restriction, but I don't see that as very likely in this game, just one or two notches above basic level. Therefore, Roosh is town.

Why did the mafia keep him alive, then? Simple: this power is not threatening to them at this stage. This is something they definitely will want to get rid of later on, but right now, it's just as likely Roosh will target a townie with his doublevote -- he's as much in the dark as we are. He could even prove to be an asset to them now. So it's clearly beneficial to let him live for the time being.

There is one thing here no one commented on, but which really worries me. Roosh's claim in post #48 includes this observation: "I know that almost everybody else gets 1 vote.". Could you elaborate on that "almost", Roosh?

There's a Ghost Everywhere You Look

Ghost has quickly stolen the spotlight for herself and she's apparently determined to keep it that way. This aggressive playstyle she has chosen, jumping around, rattling everyone's cages and so on, that is distinctly towny, and in fact, can be quite helpful, even if somewhat annoying. The mafia wouldn't, in general, want to draw attention to themselves this much; it's inevitable that after a few mislynches originating from a single person, the town will become extremely suspicious. This strategy is simply not sound from the long-term perspective. That, of course, is no definite proof, but it means it is considerably more likely that Ghost is town than not.

If you ask me, we can afford to let this continue for some time and see how it develops. There is an air of suspicion over Ghost and will remain there; there will be opportunities to deal with her later, if necessary. Because something much more interesting has happened here.

The Death of Jailer Jack

Nmillar. Started the first random wagon because of that unfortunate Dark Heresy business. Didn't really say much else. So why him? I say this: remember Ghost's main list of suspects? Orryrro, nmillar, Damnation. Two of those people are dead now, and I don't quite think that's coincidence. And one more thing, the mafia was really, really lucky to hit our jailer; his loss is going to hurt us.

Now, robbeasy outlined a nice theory in #188 which happens to correspond a lot with mine, except he's barking up the wrong tree: the mafia wouldn't bother constructing a plot against Roosh, because it is well-nigh impossible to get him lynched now -- his towniness is simply that obvious. But the principle robb outlines ("Instead they looked at who he had targeted and decided to throw more suspicion on him by lynching his other target), that's what I think is going on here. And yes, it's somewhat WIFOM, but what isn't?

Ghost undoubtedly discredited herself in the eyes of the town with the Damnation lynch yesterday. All the hard-to-argue evidence and similar claims are downright hilarious now. And a beautiful, tempting move appears in front of the mafia: kill nmillar, whom they know to be town. With the second person on the list dead and turned up innocent, Ghost must look like a complete tool. A push here and a push there, and the town could quite easily be persuaded to lynch Ghost. Two birds with one stone for the mafia, their hands squeaky clean.

And a side effect? The third person on the list, Orryrro, is by extension looking a little less suspicious. Neat, that.

What Shall We Do, Drunken Sailor?

I do agree with a FoS: Typhoon. Silence isn't good for anyone, and what is acceptable on day one is less so on day two. But there is nothing even remotely definite against him at the moment, and most certainly no reason to lynch.

Ghost, don't take it personally, but at this point, if you said someone was definite one hundred percent confirmed scum, I'd probably take it as circumstantial evidence they are not. You have been wrong before a lot. Which is why I don't really see a reason to react to your claims ("I was wrong but you were right and that makes you very suspicious!!!").

This is not to say you're wrong all the time. Because I see Orryrro as more suspicious by the minute. Let me count the ways: 1) the vote/unvote jess in rapid succession with very little reason given (#72, #91); 2) jumping on the Damnation bandwagon in #123 without bothering to offer any reasoning at all (at this point, Damnation was sort of defending himself and Orryrro against Ghost, which makes this even more strange); 3) and this is most interesting, the insistence of having the cop (if any) check out Orry. This was started by jess in #154, and then Orry decided to remind the cop of it once again in #162, just before nightfall. And I don't know about you, but I don't like that one bit. As Ghost correctly (see?) pointed this out in #165, this reeks of a Godfather in the house.

Therefore:

vote Orryrro
pretty damn big FoS jesskitten

Now this post has already grown to a monstrous size, so I'll stop here for now. If I think of something else I'd like to say now, I'll do so later. There is one more character here I consider fairly suspicious, but I'll keep that for myself until I have more and better evidence.
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bazilisek: Alright, then, let's get this over with. Sorry for length.

The Rooshandar Situation

I have no idea why Roosh outed his ability when he did, but the votecount confirmed it's real. This alone is almost definite proof Roosh is town. The doublevote ability in the hands of the mafia would be an extremely powerful weapon -- not as much now, but the closer you get to the endgame, the more game-breaking it is. And we can be sure Zchinque didn't design a game with such an obvious flaw. Theoretically, this power could be balanced by some restriction, but I don't see that as very likely in this game, just one or two notches above basic level. Therefore, Roosh is town.

Why did the mafia keep him alive, then? Simple: this power is not threatening to them at this stage. This is something they definitely will want to get rid of later on, but right now, it's just as likely Roosh will target a townie with his doublevote -- he's as much in the dark as we are. He could even prove to be an asset to them now. So it's clearly beneficial to let him live for the time being.

There is one thing here no one commented on, but which really worries me. Roosh's claim in post #48 includes this observation: "I know that almost everybody else gets 1 vote.". Could you elaborate on that "almost", Roosh?

There's a Ghost Everywhere You Look

Ghost has quickly stolen the spotlight for herself and she's apparently determined to keep it that way. This aggressive playstyle she has chosen, jumping around, rattling everyone's cages and so on, that is distinctly towny, and in fact, can be quite helpful, even if somewhat annoying. The mafia wouldn't, in general, want to draw attention to themselves this much; it's inevitable that after a few mislynches originating from a single person, the town will become extremely suspicious. This strategy is simply not sound from the long-term perspective. That, of course, is no definite proof, but it means it is considerably more likely that Ghost is town than not.

If you ask me, we can afford to let this continue for some time and see how it develops. There is an air of suspicion over Ghost and will remain there; there will be opportunities to deal with her later, if necessary. Because something much more interesting has happened here.

The Death of Jailer Jack

Nmillar. Started the first random wagon because of that unfortunate Dark Heresy business. Didn't really say much else. So why him? I say this: remember Ghost's main list of suspects? Orryrro, nmillar, Damnation. Two of those people are dead now, and I don't quite think that's coincidence. And one more thing, the mafia was really, really lucky to hit our jailer; his loss is going to hurt us.

Now, robbeasy outlined a nice theory in #188 which happens to correspond a lot with mine, except he's barking up the wrong tree: the mafia wouldn't bother constructing a plot against Roosh, because it is well-nigh impossible to get him lynched now -- his towniness is simply that obvious. But the principle robb outlines ("Instead they looked at who he had targeted and decided to throw more suspicion on him by lynching his other target), that's what I think is going on here. And yes, it's somewhat WIFOM, but what isn't?

Ghost undoubtedly discredited herself in the eyes of the town with the Damnation lynch yesterday. All the hard-to-argue evidence and similar claims are downright hilarious now. And a beautiful, tempting move appears in front of the mafia: kill nmillar, whom they know to be town. With the second person on the list dead and turned up innocent, Ghost must look like a complete tool. A push here and a push there, and the town could quite easily be persuaded to lynch Ghost. Two birds with one stone for the mafia, their hands squeaky clean.

And a side effect? The third person on the list, Orryrro, is by extension looking a little less suspicious. Neat, that.

What Shall We Do, Drunken Sailor?

I do agree with a FoS: Typhoon. Silence isn't good for anyone, and what is acceptable on day one is less so on day two. But there is nothing even remotely definite against him at the moment, and most certainly no reason to lynch.

Ghost, don't take it personally, but at this point, if you said someone was definite one hundred percent confirmed scum, I'd probably take it as circumstantial evidence they are not. You have been wrong before a lot. Which is why I don't really see a reason to react to your claims ("I was wrong but you were right and that makes you very suspicious!!!").

This is not to say you're wrong all the time. Because I see Orryrro as more suspicious by the minute. Let me count the ways: 1) the vote/unvote jess in rapid succession with very little reason given (#72, #91); 2) jumping on the Damnation bandwagon in #123 without bothering to offer any reasoning at all (at this point, Damnation was sort of defending himself and Orryrro against Ghost, which makes this even more strange); 3) and this is most interesting, the insistence of having the cop (if any) check out Orry. This was started by jess in #154, and then Orry decided to remind the cop of it once again in #162, just before nightfall. And I don't know about you, but I don't like that one bit. As Ghost correctly (see?) pointed this out in #165, this reeks of a Godfather in the house.

Therefore:

vote Orryrro
pretty damn big FoS jesskitten

Now this post has already grown to a monstrous size, so I'll stop here for now. If I think of something else I'd like to say now, I'll do so later. There is one more character here I consider fairly suspicious, but I'll keep that for myself until I have more and better evidence.
Well i said almost because of two reasons,
1. To not out complety that say that i am a Town double voter, since it was a early stage and that would been well, not good since it would make me the target of the mafia.
2. Just incase theres another double voter, if there any at all (hopefully not)
Veeery good post. Off my list entirely. First let me unvote Bazilisek, and now I'll get to work with an in-depth reply.

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bazilisek: The Rooshandar Situation

I have no idea why Roosh outed his ability when he did, but the votecount confirmed it's real. This alone is almost definite proof Roosh is town. The doublevote ability in the hands of the mafia would be an extremely powerful weapon -- not as much now, but the closer you get to the endgame, the more game-breaking it is. And we can be sure Zchinque didn't design a game with such an obvious flaw. Theoretically, this power could be balanced by some restriction, but I don't see that as very likely in this game, just one or two notches above basic level. Therefore, Roosh is town.

Why did the mafia keep him alive, then? Simple: this power is not threatening to them at this stage. This is something they definitely will want to get rid of later on, but right now, it's just as likely Roosh will target a townie with his doublevote -- he's as much in the dark as we are. He could even prove to be an asset to them now. So it's clearly beneficial to let him live for the time being.

There is one thing here no one commented on, but which really worries me. Roosh's claim in post #48 includes this observation: "I know that almost everybody else gets 1 vote.". Could you elaborate on that "almost", Roosh?
This is why in my first post of Day 2, he wasn't included, and I've kept my suspicions of him mostly low except in my response to him. He strikes me as Mafia, but I've learned hunches are not enough. There's little enough evidence against him (though it does exist) and between this and Robbeasy's post I may have been swayed. The post you mention at the end bothers me as well.

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bazilisek: There's a Ghost Everywhere You Look

Ghost has quickly stolen the spotlight for herself and she's apparently determined to keep it that way. This aggressive playstyle she has chosen, jumping around, rattling everyone's cages and so on, that is distinctly towny, and in fact, can be quite helpful, even if somewhat annoying. The mafia wouldn't, in general, want to draw attention to themselves this much; it's inevitable that after a few mislynches originating from a single person, the town will become extremely suspicious. This strategy is simply not sound from the long-term perspective. That, of course, is no definite proof, but it means it is considerably more likely that Ghost is town than not.

If you ask me, we can afford to let this continue for some time and see how it develops. There is an air of suspicion over Ghost and will remain there; there will be opportunities to deal with her later, if necessary. Because something much more interesting has happened here.
Probably in poor taste to respond to a post sticking up for me with an in-depth analysis, but this is why I take risks like this. I might get on peoples' nerves, but reactions get put out there and that gives us all a lot more to work with than if we all played safe and quiet.

As I said in the last post before nightfall, I encourage anyone who suspects me to lynch me, doubly so since I was very very wrong about Damnation. I personally don't think it'll help at all, but if you think the game will work better with me out of the way, then throw those votes in. Not a difference in the world either way, to me.

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bazilisek: The Death of Jailer Jack

Nmillar. Started the first random wagon because of that unfortunate Dark Heresy business. Didn't really say much else. So why him? I say this: remember Ghost's main list of suspects? Orryrro, nmillar, Damnation. Two of those people are dead now, and I don't quite think that's coincidence. And one more thing, the mafia was really, really lucky to hit our jailer; his loss is going to hurt us.

Now, robbeasy outlined a nice theory in #188 which happens to correspond a lot with mine, except he's barking up the wrong tree: the mafia wouldn't bother constructing a plot against Roosh, because it is well-nigh impossible to get him lynched now -- his towniness is simply that obvious. But the principle robb outlines ("Instead they looked at who he had targeted and decided to throw more suspicion on him by lynching his other target), that's what I think is going on here. And yes, it's somewhat WIFOM, but what isn't?

Ghost undoubtedly discredited herself in the eyes of the town with the Damnation lynch yesterday. All the hard-to-argue evidence and similar claims are downright hilarious now. And a beautiful, tempting move appears in front of the mafia: kill nmillar, whom they know to be town. With the second person on the list dead and turned up innocent, Ghost must look like a complete tool. A push here and a push there, and the town could quite easily be persuaded to lynch Ghost. Two birds with one stone for the mafia, their hands squeaky clean.

And a side effect? The third person on the list, Orryrro, is by extension looking a little less suspicious. Neat, that.
Would first just like to note that not long before the dogpile on Damnation started to hit, I said nmillar struck me as a townie. I'm not sure that as such it hurts my position as much as it may have. (Perhaps it hurts it worse than otherwise though, I could see a mafia play being that I must have said to my buddies "let's just nightkill nmillar instead.")

RE: Start of paragraph 2: Discredited myself in a major way. You'll notice that while aggressive, my day 2 playstyle is more cautious. I'm fearful of that happening again. Also, it'll take some time before the rest of the town trusts me enough again for my words to hold weight. So I'm gathering the evidence carefully now, and you've probably noticed I'm quicker to toss suspects now than I was before.

Only the second day of my first game and already I'm changing playstyles to account for stuff.

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bazilisek: What Shall We Do, Drunken Sailor?

I do agree with a FoS: Typhoon. Silence isn't good for anyone, and what is acceptable on day one is less so on day two. But there is nothing even remotely definite against him at the moment, and most certainly no reason to lynch.
The bandwagoning on my Typhoon suspicions alone has me giving some people fishy looks. "He hasn't said anything" works both ways, even though it leans a bit towards scum.

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bazilisek: Ghost, don't take it personally, but at this point, if you said someone was definite one hundred percent confirmed scum, I'd probably take it as circumstantial evidence they are not. You have been wrong before a lot. Which is why I don't really see a reason to react to your claims ("I was wrong but you were right and that makes you very suspicious!!!").
No offense taken. I understand how I must look right now, and your massive post here has sent my suspicions of you to an early grave. I still think it odd you and Vitek believe Damnation looked innocent at the stage of his lynching, but clearly you guys have experience that makes you see something about his posts I didn't. I'm still not buying that most everyone else saw it (even in hindsight) either.

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bazilisek: This is not to say you're wrong all the time. Because I see Orryrro as more suspicious by the minute. Let me count the ways: 1) the vote/unvote jess in rapid succession with very little reason given (#72, #91); 2) jumping on the Damnation bandwagon in #123 without bothering to offer any reasoning at all (at this point, Damnation was sort of defending himself and Orryrro against Ghost, which makes this even more strange); 3) and this is most interesting, the insistence of having the cop (if any) check out Orry. This was started by jess in #154, and then Orry decided to remind the cop of it once again in #162, just before nightfall. And I don't know about you, but I don't like that one bit. As Ghost correctly (see?) pointed this out in #165, this reeks of a Godfather in the house.

Therefore:

vote Orryrro
pretty damn big FoS jesskitten
I back up your assessment of those two fully. I'm not willing to continue my harassment of my previous targets, however, for obvious reasons, so I'm going to focus on Jess.

Vote Jesskitten
Now people say I don't explain myself enough, I suppose that is true. The reasons I voted for Damnation were that I suspected either him or Ghost of being mafia, Damnation was defending me, meaning if he was mafia and I didn't vote for him it would make me look awfully suspicious. Ghost's response to Damnation getting lynched made me suspect she was a townie, despite my previous theory that one or the other was a member of the mafia.

Currently, I'm not sure who to suspect, I'm not sure about JessKitten, currently I don't have enough to go on.
Okay, I would like to say a couple of things.

First of all, it's the weekend. I have the most time to do what I want, I try not to spend all of it forum surfing.

Second, I have had a major project due this week, and have been trying to stay focused to work on it. This means that I won't be posting at all for the rest of today as well (I'm really sorry, its just how this thing worked out). No worries, more involvement is coming, and I'll address some of the suspicions as well, but it will have to wait.

P.S. Sorry to Zchinque, who I probably should have told about my situation beforehand.