Posted April 15, 2011
Well, first off all
unvote Typhoon45
Explanation will follow.
I had a rather tough day at uni today, so my mind was not fully operational when I hit home and made my read of today and my post. Which means a lot of things were omitted from my mind (I tend to do that when I'm tired). So after rerearding the day, I realise my post (The post you refer to, jess), is devoid of logic. Especially considering certain things I really should have taken into context but for some reason didn't. Well, it's evident that if the mafia wanted pazzer gone, they would have struck pazzer and roleblocked Ubivis, the claimed doctor. Obviously an ensured kill is a fine trade-off for a chance of being discovered by the tracker, or at least I would say so. So why they didn't do so makes no sense. Therefore, I think the nightkill target is unknown, unless another doctor saved Ubivis (But we cannot know there is a doctor, now can we?). I further believe Typhoon's claim to being roleblocked, for as jess points out, claiming a null hit would be far easier.
So I am now of more certainty that Ubivis is mafia - as, yes, a doctor surviving for two days is a lot more suspicious than being roleblocked two nights in a row, especially when easier claims are possible.
Therefore, I agree with jess, Ubivis must certainly be scum.
vote Ubivis
Now, your direct points about the post, jess (Note - If you will say defense is scummy, I'll refer you to day 1 of mafia 3, just so you're prepared :p). Yeah, defending a post I made in a somewhat confused haze is not all that useful, but still, I suppose it should be done.
First off, I never said the mafia targeted pazzer, I said I assume the obvious case was true, nothing more. That you read into it that I say it is true seems to be over-analysing on your part. As I said, certain factors must be considered, and I realise that my message on this makes no sense, and I cannot truly explain it. So I do apologise about that.
Now, as I’m not really a hardcore mafia player, I’m sure everything I have said here will be picked apart, overanalysed and thrown back at me as extreme scummy behaviour. Just do remember that the mindset I was in when I did the original post included that I was convinced Typhoon was lying and thus were more inclined to pick up on stuff against him. I’m not suspicious of Typhoon now, however, and I apologise for the way I acted towards him.
Also, sorry for the wall of text at the end :p
unvote Typhoon45
Explanation will follow.
I had a rather tough day at uni today, so my mind was not fully operational when I hit home and made my read of today and my post. Which means a lot of things were omitted from my mind (I tend to do that when I'm tired). So after rerearding the day, I realise my post (The post you refer to, jess), is devoid of logic. Especially considering certain things I really should have taken into context but for some reason didn't. Well, it's evident that if the mafia wanted pazzer gone, they would have struck pazzer and roleblocked Ubivis, the claimed doctor. Obviously an ensured kill is a fine trade-off for a chance of being discovered by the tracker, or at least I would say so. So why they didn't do so makes no sense. Therefore, I think the nightkill target is unknown, unless another doctor saved Ubivis (But we cannot know there is a doctor, now can we?). I further believe Typhoon's claim to being roleblocked, for as jess points out, claiming a null hit would be far easier.
So I am now of more certainty that Ubivis is mafia - as, yes, a doctor surviving for two days is a lot more suspicious than being roleblocked two nights in a row, especially when easier claims are possible.
Therefore, I agree with jess, Ubivis must certainly be scum.
vote Ubivis
Now, your direct points about the post, jess (Note - If you will say defense is scummy, I'll refer you to day 1 of mafia 3, just so you're prepared :p). Yeah, defending a post I made in a somewhat confused haze is not all that useful, but still, I suppose it should be done.
First off, I never said the mafia targeted pazzer, I said I assume the obvious case was true, nothing more. That you read into it that I say it is true seems to be over-analysing on your part. As I said, certain factors must be considered, and I realise that my message on this makes no sense, and I cannot truly explain it. So I do apologise about that.
jesskitten: - He did not acknowledge Ubivis being alive, and the possibility that Ubivis was faking, with the mountain of circumstantial evidence against him. Despite mentioning the obvious case that the mafia targetted pazzer, he fails to present or consider the obvious possibility that Ubivis is bluffing.
You’re right, as I have said, and cannot really explain why, other than I was more inclined to focused on Typhoon claiming the same he did the day before. I was also taken in by the idea of no roleblocker existing (suppose I’m just a bit gullible at times :p) which added to my suspicion of Typhoon. My early vote was made because I thought it was well reasoned, it wasn’t. jesskitten: - Nothing scummy said about that or Ubivis in general at all, no consideration given to or stated read (town or scum) of him. He dared not claim Ubivis was town! Because he knows Ubivis is not. Yet he doesn't claim Ubivis is scum, because he still thought Ubivis had a chance of escape. Yet in the same post he wants to throw suspicion onto the other two claimed power roles.
Alright, I might just be a complete noob at this game, but how does not declaring someone town or scum amount to a scummy action? I can’t really see that, but I suppose it’s just me. And I threw suspicion onto Typhoon yes, I was convinced in my mindset then that he was lying. I am convinced now that he isn’t. And throwing suspicion on pazzer? If you understood the “I also think that pazzer's post requesting Ubivis to protect Typhoon is a bit fishy, if not scummy, but I'm convinced enough so far that he tells the truth.” As being me trying to make pazzer look suspicious, you’re misinterpreting me. I was merely stating that the action itself is scummy (Now I see it more as an attempt to draw fire from the mafia though). I never meant to say that I thought pazzer was scum, I do think he’s town. jesskitten: - He believes Ubivis and thinks the mafia targetted pazzer (therefore pazzer should be town) but then immediately before that contradicts it by trying to throw dirt on pazzer's request to protect Typhoon. He's trying to look like he agrees with the cop claim/town sentiment that pazzer is town, so he doesn't get investigated, while desperately casting a shadow of doubt on him so people would doubt pazzer/his reads.
Again, I never said I thought the mafia targeted pazzer, I said it was the most obvious case, based on what Ubivis said. (I could go on and on about how I dislike people putting words into my mouth as I get enough of that crap from my sister, but that doesn’t really belong here. And yes, you are putting words into my mouth by saying that I think the mafia targeted pazzer). But I generally think this point is where you get overly analytical. People are in different mindsets whenever they post. I was mindblasted at the time I posted this and have cleared up after some food and brainless activities (playing Dawn of War 2 for instance), take that as you will. The dirt you say I threw at him was just a statement, one which you seem to think I put more stock into (And others might too, unfortunately). But I have already said my peace on the statement, discussing it more will just be futile and overdoing it. Now, as I’m not really a hardcore mafia player, I’m sure everything I have said here will be picked apart, overanalysed and thrown back at me as extreme scummy behaviour. Just do remember that the mindset I was in when I did the original post included that I was convinced Typhoon was lying and thus were more inclined to pick up on stuff against him. I’m not suspicious of Typhoon now, however, and I apologise for the way I acted towards him.
Also, sorry for the wall of text at the end :p