Again with the Edie/Eddie conundrum? :D He was a very promiscuous old woman.

A necromancer from the Venture Bros.

So more often than not it seems connected to his role. Anyway, I was talking specifically about instances where he was scum and changed his avatar, since I didn't really understand if that's what you were talking about in your previous post.

My "tend to mafia" list at the moment is:
- adaliabooks (his inconsistent posting did little to alleviate my suspicions raised in my post #221, except as regarding 13 / 4 = 4.25)
- CSPVG (while slightly less lurky, it still feels that his heart is not really into contributing much)
- trentonlf (just the "pirate" thing and the defensive-explosive reaction that followed)

All the rest I still qualify as neutral, although my gut feeling has Sage and HijacK leaning townwards.

Of the three, I feel more strongly about adaliabooks.

VOTE adaliabooks

Oh. It will haunt us forever.
So very promiscuous old woman? Nun or young beauty? :-)

First time I hear about Venture Bros., have no idea who is that character and it is hard to tell from small quote picture, so no wonder I didn't recognise it. :-)

It was discussion about flub claiming vanilla with his avatar. I only said it can't be considered as claim because he used untrue avatars in past, but he also used correct ones. Sage was "worried" by me not wanting to not talk about flub's avatar thing enough. It was not about using it only as scum it was about how much we can take his avatar as claim.

But in fact flub was mafia only twice and he used the zombie House and Marlon Brandon on those occassions. And he indeed was godfather when using the Godfather avatar.

I certainly hope to learn one of two things.

VOTE adaliabooks

Either yes, this is what day #1 scum tells look like, or: no, this is not how to behave on day #1 if you're town and trying to convince others of that fact.

Where do you see a defensive reaction? I simply asked dedo why he posted the pic again. I asked the question, as I explained, because it made no sense to say in any form that you might be scum. When Vitek said "Really" about my post I explained my reasoning. There was no "defensive" to it, especially "explosive". Saying it's defensive-explosive is just funny.

To be honest I am still confused by the reaction of Vitek and mrkgnao of my questioning dedo on the pic. If I don't question what I find suspicious but just sit back and float along how do I find scum? Rely on everyone else to do the questioning and just vote? Not a very productive way to find scum I would say. So I will continue to ask questions if I find something off.

Saying that, I have been wondering why no one else has commented on post 357 (http://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_mafia_24_the_not_ending_soon_war/post357). I did not realize anyone had a role as of yet, exactly what is a "Town What"? And why claim a role for scum to see?

If you go back, you'll see I did not find your original question to dedoporno suspicious. I did find your need to explain that a pirate is a bad person eyebrow-raisingly over-cautious. I believe it was Vitek who questioned your original question.

Defensive: your post #365 (I am not saying that what you posted is wrong, but the tone feels defensive)
Explosive: your post #372 (especially the last sentence)

I am in no way trying to dissuade you from questioning everything and everyone. On the contrary, I insist that you do. Again, I had no problem with your original question per se.

As for "Town What". Early on, dedoporno asked me "So, you town or what?". I answered "I'm town. What about you, are you what or scum?". To which dedo answered "What and proud!" (posts #59-68).

Thank you for the clarification of the What post, I missed the reference.

And me saying "So unless we start questioning comments like that the only outcome will be a scum victory" is not Explosive, it's the plain truth. Anyone hesitant to ask questions gives an advantage to the scum, and I do not want that.

I am not trying to argue or paint dedo in a bad light. I am simply stating my reasoning to my original question and trying to discern why it is being taken as defensive. It just makes no sense to me to say "hey I might be scum" for any reason. All I wanted was a reason from dedo and he gave it.

If I may be so bold. if this opportunity paints dedo so much in this bad light, why didn't you jump on it in game #23 when you were scum? Surely you would've been able to convince someone back then.
Not really sure what town what is, I just know he for sure claimed the word "what", whatever that may mean, though his post back then had a joke vibe to it, while this one seems less so.

Vitek engaged in game = Moar better

If you want I can point you to an article that proves that in a game with 10 town and 3 mafia (*), if everybody votes absolutely randomly every day without any discussion whatsoever the town has more than 50% chance of winning.

(*) (see above, Vitek...)

I honestly can not see us as town winning without discussion no matter what the numbers say. I know you are not suggesting that, just pointing out an article that states it. So discussions shall ensue! :)

Vitek asked why I felt his post had little substance. I mentioned about him saying CSPVG was lurking as being nothing new, everyone knows this is the case and it had been discussed. He arrived late to the party and seemed to throw it out there just for something to say.

What I meant about flub was that discussion of his avatar doesn't give much to the game. yogsloth mentioned he wouldn't discuss it, but of course he won't. If he is roleclaiming in it then confirming that is only good for scum. If he is scum and somehow hinting at that he's not going to come out and say it. Bringing this up (again after it has already been mentioned and discussed) doesn't to me add any value to the discussions.

As to what he said about you, he called you the most interesting but neglected to say why he thought that.

I have freely admited and explained my backtracking. I don't consider I have really let anything drop. I raise suspicions as and when they come to me and I see what reaction that gets fron the other players. If there's one thing I learned fron last game its that people are very hard to convince. I knew HijacK wasn't scum day 1, but no one listened. I knew trent was scum day 2, but everyone decided to vote CSPVG despite the evidence. So this game if people aren't immediately interested I don't see the point in pursuing it doggedly.

A wagon seems to be forming, and the other thing I've learned is that once that happens it doesn't often stop. I just hope the rest of you will see your mistake.
But I might as well place my vote where I see it being needed:

Vote yogsloth

I thought we were supposed to listen and hear everyone's opinion on a matter, not just certain individuals, and I don't see how being "late at the party" excludes him from sharing his opinion. It would have been a lot more suspicious if he altogether ignored the subject, thank tackling it, as evasive as his tackle was.

Role claiming? I fail to see how a vanilla wine avatar is a definite role claim.

Again, what's even the point of this sentence? Flub has not role claimed. What he has been doing on the other hand is teasing us and attempt to point at something. He may try to tell us he has a vanilla role, scum or town, or he may be lying about this and use the avatar to throw off suspicion. You don't know which of these it is and your sentence does not even correlate with what it has been already discussed.

Again, we are supposed to hear everyone's opinion on a matter in order to have as much efficiency in voting as possible.

Oh really? Do people really need explanation for this?

You never pursued your suspicion of trent for too long, so no matter how sure you were about him, you didn't do much in uncovering him.

For the record: trent had been my #1 suspect in game #23 since day one due to some questions he asked and made little sense and different speech patterns that indicated he was trying to earn "good will" among some townies. But here's the thing. Just like you, I was almost sure about him, however I never pursued the lead due to my lynch, so how does that matter now?

It's up to you to make it stop.

It's not the mistake of those who vote for you, but yours alone for the way in which you tackled the situation. If you're town, you made the mistake of being too ambiguous and snarky with the posts in a game full of vets who are used to a different playstyle.

Yes. But can YOU give the explanation??