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Posted November 09, 2014
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Robbeasy: the only reason im suggesting this is to try and get some sort of pulling together between us all.

We are meandering towards either a rushed lynch, or a no lynch. We can all see this coming, yet people keep coming up with reasons to continue the debating, to continue the fractured nature of our discussions.

I tell you now, look closely at these people who continually question and try to divert away from any sort of bandwagon forming.

Why HijacK? Hes claimed, his claim is not a safe one. Yes, i said i had him neutral, and he's not my choice target , as I have said, but I do think the most info could be gathered from him - the validity of his claim, the fact he's been closest to lynch already this day, and the fact he's been quite vocal - plenty of rereading of his days posts to go on, no matter which way he flips.

It's not ideal, but at this late stage of the day when theres no real target there doesn't seem to me to be any other way to rescue this day - there's no way between now and end of day that we are going to get enough of a slip from anyone to make peoples minds up.

If you think I'm talking bollocks, then lynch me. I'd be happy to sacrifice myself if it helps town, and I would implore people to take time to read back through and look at those that try to stop any idea of what , at his stage of the day, is a sensible and pro town move.

For fecks sake people, lets have some minds made up and some knobs put on the block..

unvote sage

vote hijack
I have started, and completely erased, two separate replies to this. I am just talking out of my ass at this point. I get the general idea, but I don't think I agree on the target, and I feel like there has to be a better idea out there.

Vote Krypsn

I think if he flips town it will reveal more useful information.
Posted November 09, 2014
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Robbeasy: the only reason im suggesting this is to try and get some sort of pulling together between us all.

We are meandering towards either a rushed lynch, or a no lynch. We can all see this coming, yet people keep coming up with reasons to continue the debating, to continue the fractured nature of our discussions.

I tell you now, look closely at these people who continually question and try to divert away from any sort of bandwagon forming.
Several people have asked you questions (#1598-1600, #1603-1604), you did not answer them. Instead you attempt to resort to threatening arguments such as "anyone who disagrees with me is to be thought of as scum".

Just recently there was a wagon on HijacK (CSPVG, yogsloth, me). If you are so worried about debate delaying us, why didn't you join it?

I have repeatedly (#1409, #1460, #1523) asked you for your reads on people on adalia's wagon. You did not produce any.

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Robbeasy: Why HijacK? Hes claimed, his claim is not a safe one. Yes, i said i had him neutral, and he's not my choice target , as I have said, but I do think the most info could be gathered from him - the validity of his claim, the fact he's been closest to lynch already this day, and the fact he's been quite vocal - plenty of rereading of his days posts to go on, no matter which way he flips.
Since you will not answer what will happen if HijacK flips town, I will answer for you. From that point onwards, when a mass claim erupts, the scum can safely claim "Iniurfas Mark II, Town Vanilla" and there's probably no way for us to corroborate it, short of killing all vanillas. As a player on his 20th mafia game on GOG, I find it hard to imagine that you did not think of that, yet somehow you neglected to mention it.

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Robbeasy: It's not ideal, but at this late stage of the day when theres no real target there doesn't seem to me to be any other way to rescue this day - there's no way between now and end of day that we are going to get enough of a slip from anyone to make peoples minds up.

If you think I'm talking bollocks, then lynch me. I'd be happy to sacrifice myself if it helps town, and I would implore people to take time to read back through and look at those that try to stop any idea of what , at his stage of the day, is a sensible and pro town move.

For fecks sake people, lets have some minds made up and some knobs put on the block..
Fair enough.

VOTE Robbeasy
Posted November 09, 2014
I have given my reasons for Krpsyn and not much has changed. For me my basic list is this:

Town:
Darko
Robb
CSPVG
mrkgnao
Vitek
yogsloth
Hijack

Neutral:
Sage

Scum:
dedoporno
Krypsyn

I know most have dedo as town, and I could be way off. But, I have no options left in my eyes as to who I think the scum is. Everyone I have listed as town has shown themselves to me to be the most proactive in finding the scum. The two I was mostly unsure about other than my two scum were CSPVG and Hijack, but I believe their claims.

I agree with Robb in that we need to get together. I have tried twice to get people to list their 3 scum options and each time something distracts us. Now we need to get some focus and move together on a choice. I will move my vote from Krypsyn if need be, but I think he is scum.

And, as Robb has said about himself, if it is necessary to lynch me to clear up any confusion I have caused by my play I am ok with that. I just want us to get out of this rut we have somehow gotten in.
Posted November 09, 2014
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trentonlf: I agree with Robb in that we need to get together. I have tried twice to get people to list their 3 scum options and each time something distracts us. Now we need to get some focus and move together on a choice. I will move my vote from Krypsyn if need be, but I think he is scum.
Here's the thing... I'm kind of done with Day 2 scum lists. I completely admit it - I am burnt out. I know some of you will read this and think all kind of accusatory things, hey, I get it. I'm just burnt and over it. I will not vote for Sage, CSPVG, or trent. (Yep, you read that right trent, you're on my town list. All that loud swearing allegiance to town finally paid off. If you turn out scum, though, I will never believe anything you say, ever again, until the end of time.) I also don't want to lynch HijacK unless there is no other wagon option.

I will vote for any of the rest of you, because I no longer know anything about anybody, and at least some of you are scum. I think we will learn more from flipping Krypsyn, but I'll vote Robb, dedo, Darko, Vitek, or even mrk. Nothing personal, and I understand if you feel the same about me. Again, I know some will should "SCUM!" just because of this post. The clock is loudly ticking now, though, and at this point a random shot is better than no shot at all, and I'm just... so over it. We have to get to Day 3 and start over again once we learn the fate of two more of us, even if I get NKd and it's good luck to the rest of you.

I think everybody should place a vote, right now, on your best shot. God help us if we have to go to mass role claim, because that will take days to sort out, and we don't have the time.

That's my two cents.

[Slams down microphone; storms off stage]
Posted November 09, 2014
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Krypsyn: I am pretty ambivalent about it, actually.
Why is that?



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mrkgnao: Since you will not answer what will happen if HijacK flips town, I will answer for you. From that point onwards, when a mass claim erupts, the scum can safely claim "Iniurfas Mark II, Town Vanilla" and there's probably no way for us to corroborate it, short of killing all vanillas. As a player on his 20th mafia game on GOG, I find it hard to imagine that you did not think of that, yet somehow you neglected to mention it.
Which is another reason why I was on board with the idea of having a mass claim Today. If CSPVG and HijacK are being honest there's no telling for how long we can rely on their services.


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yogsloth: ...
LOL, I can't disagree with this. What changed your mind about trent?
Posted November 09, 2014
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mrkgnao: snip...
1) Several people have asked you questions (#1598-1600, #1603-1604), you did not answer them. Instead you attempt to resort to threatening arguments such as "anyone who disagrees with me is to be thought of as scum".

2) Just recently there was a wagon on HijacK (CSPVG, yogsloth, me). If you are so worried about debate delaying us, why didn't you join it?

3) I have repeatedly (#1409, #1460, #1523) asked you for your reads on people on adalia's wagon. You did not produce any.

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Robbeasy: 4) Why HijacK? Hes claimed, his claim is not a safe one. Yes, i said i had him neutral, and he's not my choice target , as I have said, but I do think the most info could be gathered from him - the validity of his claim, the fact he's been closest to lynch already this day, and the fact he's been quite vocal - plenty of rereading of his days posts to go on, no matter which way he flips.
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mrkgnao: Since you will not answer what will happen if HijacK flips town, I will answer for you. From that point onwards, when a mass claim erupts, the scum can safely claim "Iniurfas Mark II, Town Vanilla" and there's probably no way for us to corroborate it, short of killing all vanillas. As a player on his 20th mafia game on GOG, I find it hard to imagine that you did not think of that, yet somehow you neglected to mention it.

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Robbeasy: It's not ideal, but at this late stage of the day when theres no real target there doesn't seem to me to be any other way to rescue this day - there's no way between now and end of day that we are going to get enough of a slip from anyone to make peoples minds up.

If you think I'm talking bollocks, then lynch me. I'd be happy to sacrifice myself if it helps town, and I would implore people to take time to read back through and look at those that try to stop any idea of what , at his stage of the day, is a sensible and pro town move.

For fecks sake people, lets have some minds made up and some knobs put on the block..
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mrkgnao: Fair enough.

VOTE Robbeasy
okaaay...

1) Anyone who disagrees with me is to be thought of as scum?? No - I didn't say that , I said anyone still trying to obfuscate, extend discussion, and generally nit-pick at this late stage should be considered suspect

2) Just recently?! It was a good week ago - and has since dissipated. As I have already said at least twice, he wasn't my main target. And, when the wagon was on, we still had time.

3) Well I DO apologise for not fitting in with your obviously correct way of going about things. I have already stated that i am concentrating on those NOT on Adalias wagon - at this stage bringing others into it would just be extending discussion , and giving chances for obfuscation.

4) for a start , you're assuming a mass claim will erupt. Plus, I believe at this point lynching a couple of vanillas to hit scum is no bad deal. Plus - I dont think Mafia would be that stupid.

But meh - there you go. I got a reaction to my post - at least if I am lynched this post can be seen in the correct light...
Posted November 09, 2014
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Robbeasy: Plus, I believe at this point lynching a couple of vanillas to hit scum is no bad deal.
Yet you do not vote for the only claimed vanilla at this point. You list him as your towniest and vote instead on someone who has a role.

P.S. Just to clarify my position. I am not certain at all that HijacK is town (although I already explained why I find it somewhat more likely). I am pretty certain he is a flavour cop. If people come up with a good scum read on him, I will not hesitate to vote against him again. I just do not at all agree that he is the best "random" lynch for today. Especially when that claim is not backed by any arguments.
Posted November 09, 2014
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Robbeasy: 2) Just recently?! It was a good week ago - and has since dissipated. As I have already said at least twice, he wasn't my main target. And, when the wagon was on, we still had time.
P.P.S. What you call "a good week ago" was two days ago (see your post #1451 at which point the wagon on HijacK was very much still alive). Check your facts.
Posted November 09, 2014
I am fully aware that nobody (with the possible exception of CSPVG) believes my theory about Robbeasy. Fine.

I do ask you, however, to look at his posts beginning from #1597. I find them scummy, escpecially: (a) his attempting to masquerade his wish to lynch HijacK (for whatever reason) as if it's the best "arbitrary" choice, and (b) his refusal to answer questions raised by HijacK, dedoporno, yogsloth and myself.

I will leave my vote on him for 24 hours.

If people do not join me, I plan to move my vote to trentonlf. He is next on my scum list, so it's a relatively "easy" choice for me. But that is not the main reason. The main reason is that if I am wrong, at least we "only" lost a vanilla.
Posted November 09, 2014
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mrkgnao: If people do not join me, I plan to move my vote to trentonlf. He is next on my scum list, so it's a relatively "easy" choice for me. But that is not the main reason. The main reason is that if I am wrong, at least we "only" lost a vanilla.
Question for you:
Do you doubt that trent is a mark II vanilla or do you believe that he might be a mafia mark II vanilla?
Posted November 09, 2014
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Krypsyn: I am pretty ambivalent about it, actually.
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DarkoD13: Why is that?
It is part of the game. Lynch happens. If it happens to me, it happens to me; life will go on. Hence, it doesn't trouble me overmuch.
Posted November 09, 2014
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Robbeasy: the only reason im suggesting this is to try and get some sort of pulling together between us all.
Nah, I'm calling it BS coming from someone who has been questioned quite a bit and way before I was.

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Robbeasy: We are meandering towards either a rushed lynch, or a no lynch. We can all see this coming, yet people keep coming up with reasons to continue the debating, to continue the fractured nature of our discussions.
Yes, because not analyzing the situation is a smart move, right? Not sure if serious or utter scum.

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Robbeasy: I tell you now, look closely at these people who continually question and try to divert away from any sort of bandwagon forming.
And who might those be?

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Robbeasy: Why HijacK? Hes claimed, his claim is not a safe one.
So? No claim is a safe one until checked.

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Robbeasy: Yes, i said i had him neutral, and he's not my choice target , as I have said, but I do think the most info could be gathered from him -
Would you kindly stop sprinkling your posts with sweet shit and give more thorough observations?

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Robbeasy: the validity of his claim
Enlighten me: What would that prove? What type of information will that give you?

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Robbeasy: the fact he's been closest to lynch already this day
Check your facts, buddy. The closest to lynch was CSPVG at 1 vote away. I was 3 votes away. This looks to me like scum trying to twist facts.

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Robbeasy: and the fact he's been quite vocal
Oh, like I've been the only one. And since when is posting a criteria for lynch? Tell me, do you enjoy making no sense?

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Robbeasy: It's not ideal, but at this late stage of the day when theres no real target there doesn't seem to me to be any other way to rescue this day - there's no way between now and end of day that we are going to get enough of a slip from anyone to make peoples minds up.

If you think I'm talking bollocks, then lynch me. I'd be happy to sacrifice myself if it helps town, and I would implore people to take time to read back through and look at those that try to stop any idea of what , at his stage of the day, is a sensible and pro town move.
Advised taken in consideration, given your obvious lack of attention to what's happening. Vote Robbeasy
Sweaty now?

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Robbeasy: For fecks sake people, lets have some minds made up and some knobs put on the block..
Yes, because speed lynches are smart.
Posted November 09, 2014
I completely agree Robb has been utterly scummy since about midway point day 2. I am happy to vote for him, but given day 1 info, I think he could just be playing weirdo town, like krypsyn. If he flips town, though, what info do we gain? His only targets have been the claimed players.

And btw, I am not any kind of cop, but I still strongly oppose Trent as a choice. Maybe I just drank his Kool aid, but after 50 or so posts of "I am town" I just can't believe it is a flat lie. Plus, if he flips town, we really do learn nothing at all, sine literally every player has been on his case all day. I really think we should hit one of the more mysterious players.

On mobile btw so this probably looks like crap.
Posted November 09, 2014
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yogsloth: ... I think he could just be playing weirdo town, like krypsyn.
Setting aside the weirdo part, which I disagree with, this is an interesting thing to say about someone for whom you have voted. Any particular reason you have voted for me if you think I am town?

Vote: yogsloth
Posted November 09, 2014
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mrkgnao: If people do not join me, I plan to move my vote to trentonlf. He is next on my scum list, so it's a relatively "easy" choice for me. But that is not the main reason. The main reason is that if I am wrong, at least we "only" lost a vanilla.
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DarkoD13: Question for you:
Do you doubt that trent is a mark II vanilla or do you believe that he might be a mafia mark II vanilla?
If he's town, I am certain he is Iniurfas Mark II vanilla.

If he's mafia, I have no idea. At the time he model-claimed our knowledge of the ship models was minimal. I can say that throughout day #1, I didn't even think about my ship model. I was under the (false) impression that it was some meaningless flavour like my pilot name (perhaps I'm wrong about that too, but I can't find any logic in those names). Perhaps it's my inexperience showing. The only point at which I realised their importance was sometime early on day #2, at which point I recommended we stop revealing them. Perhaps trent thought so too. I don't know. I am not dismissing the possibility that he might be Iniurfas Mark II non-vanilla mafia (e.g. with a weak role). I think it's less likely that he's vanilla mafia, simply because given the number of hints we hear about roles, I expect all mafia to have some role.
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