I should clarify when I say everyone else I mean everyone else who has claimed

My speculation was based on the fact that both CSPVG claimed the exact same ship - model (Iniurfas Fighterbomber) and mark (II).

I'm with HijacK regarding the marks. They shouldn't be taken out of context. You can't compare only marks, you need to consider the actual model as well. The only thing the mark specifies is the version of the this model (mark II being the second iteration, maybe with some changes, upgrades, etc.)

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_(designation)]Mark[/url]

Otherwise you are looking at only half of the information and it's more likely you'll make a false assumption.


I'll answer for HijacK here, because I wrote this a long time ago and I'm not sure how many people paid attention to it. First dusk or second dawn post (can't remember which one was it, but that's not so important) said that we are being infiltrated and have traitor pilots. The enemy is infiltrated our fleet. That is why we won't be seeing and Olipsi Star-Destroyer or something like that flip - because they are using the same ship we are using. The model most likely enables the actual ability, but I believe that the pilot is the one who performs it. That's why I can see how the exact same ship type may be used to perform similar or opposing actions.

The mark here is IV, of course, not II.



I sent this by mistake without finishing my though. My point is that it seems the vanilla players are Iniurfas Mark II. Probably these are the most basic ships there are, or one of them, at least. Iniurfas Mark IV Fighterbomber is a newer and upgraded model - hence the power role.

That doesn't mean that other power roles can't have other ship types. I would be more surprised if another vanilla flips a different ship. Consider this - why would there be a model name at all if all ships shared it?

Could you explain to us thick folk exactly why its 'hard to imagine' for Mafia to pick Sage as a target please?

I think you are confusing their role name with ship model. Iniurfas is a ship model, an ingame role name would be Lokitop.

No.
It is ship model
As adalia was Iniurfas HIjack claims to be Lokitop. Lokitop is not his claimed role, flavour cop is.

And this (and following posts), mrkgnao, are basic examples of weak neutral-hunting. Some people are trying to bring attention to neutrals, even though they don't matter to town much. (Also, lyncher is usualy town, not neutral ;-))

If you go back and read posts 576 and 577 (maybe 575) then Iniurfas is a ship model.

Sure.
As is Lokitup.
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Lokitop is a ship model. Not a name.

Ship models: Iniurfas (Fighterbomber), Lokitop, Yugmi
Pilot names: Twitch, Redfingers, Bloodeyes, I can't remember what CSPVG's name was

@trentonlf, I think you are the one who is confusing the names of pilots and ship models :)

Sure.

DarkoD13 seemed less helpful to me early on in Day 2, so I put him as my most likely to be scum. I wasn't crazy about how he would primarily jump in to poke hole in other theories and possibly attempting to subtly direct discussion, without adding much new analysis of his own. The way he gave a data-dump summary, without adding his own opinions on the data, of the adaliabooks wagon also rubbed me the wrong way. Using data in the place of analysis is a common way, I've found, for scum to look like they are helping without actually having to stick their neck out with an opinion which may come back to bite them later.

After I voted for DarkD13, his reaction, and others, was pretty active. I think I stated that I thought it looked similar was to poking an ant's nest. Some of his replies seemed fairly OMGUS, as well as likely scummy deflection (talking about Godfathers, for instance). For these reasons, I kept my vote on him (with a brief interlude with it on Vitek) until all these role claims played havoc with my reads list.

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Cool, what after-market packages did you get installed? The hi-fi stereo option certainly seems nice, but the sun-roof seems ... dumb.

No one seems interested in a mass claim and I see no reason not to believe the HijacK and Sage claims, so nothing's changed. My vote stays with Vitek for the foreseeable future.

As town, HijacK could think to himself that his role would be some form of indirect alignment cop, that through ship models he would be able to identify the scum. With this in mind, it would make some sense to concentrate on the people off the adaliabooks wagon (as you did too) and pick one of them, Sage for example, especially given her weak day #1 posting.

As mafia, HijacK would have no such illusions; he would know that his role was a watered-down version of a role cop. He would then want to pick someone he thought is more likely to have a role. I don't see, based on her day #1 posts, why he would think Sage would have one. Even if he did not have anyone he could suspect yet of having a role, I don't see why he would pick Sage. I expect he would pick someone whom he'd consider a high threat if he had a role (e.g. one of the experienced players). Based on his opinions on Sage in the game #23 observer thread, I find it hard to imagine HijacK would think of Sage as a high threat. [Sorry, Sage. I don't share those opinions].

Yugmi = either "hug me" or "tug me", both in line with a survivor ship (I favour the former).